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The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/

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  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

    The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/

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    @cstross so they are going to label works as non ai? Instead if labeling ai works? A rating or badge system? Will it be crowd sourced?

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      @cstross so they are going to label works as non ai? Instead if labeling ai works? A rating or badge system? Will it be crowd sourced?

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      @Moonlight_Crazy Don't know, they haven't launched yet. Check the web site.

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      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

        @HighlandLawyer @Remittancegirl No, but … they're not good people. (Think the worst kind of fire'n'brimstone presbyterians, then give them that old time TESCREAL religion and a justified terror of the Basilisk At The End Of Time.)

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        @cstross @Remittancegirl
        The type who live in fear that someone, somewhere, is enjoying themself; and who disapprove of sex because it might lead to dancing.

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        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

          The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/

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          @cstross This will help AI scrapers (who've never respected licensing terms, terms of service, copyright, etc.) immensely by providing them with an ongoing training data guaranteed to not be AI tainted.Thanks, Society of Authors! Great job.

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          • highlandlawyer@mastodon.socialH highlandlawyer@mastodon.social

            @cstross @Remittancegirl
            The type who live in fear that someone, somewhere, is enjoying themself; and who disapprove of sex because it might lead to dancing.

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            @HighlandLawyer @Remittancegirl Yes, only even worse. (Am currently writing a sequence in which someone in authority learns that an entire barrier reef of skulls have disappeared from an ossuary world because these ass-hats are trying to bring about the Skullularity.)

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            • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

              @cstross This will help AI scrapers (who've never respected licensing terms, terms of service, copyright, etc.) immensely by providing them with an ongoing training data guaranteed to not be AI tainted.Thanks, Society of Authors! Great job.

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              @Infoseepage Good point!

              But it will almost certainly also identify works whose authors are adamantly opposed to the use of LLMs, that are off-limits for training, and where the copyright owners will sue. (If this had existed in 2016 it'd have made the Anthropic AI class action lawsuit an absolute slam-dunk.)

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              • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/

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                @cstross

                well... we'll see but i fear it will be something else authors are going to be expected to pay for that doesn't really move the needle

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                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                  @HighlandLawyer @Remittancegirl Yes, only even worse. (Am currently writing a sequence in which someone in authority learns that an entire barrier reef of skulls have disappeared from an ossuary world because these ass-hats are trying to bring about the Skullularity.)

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                  @cstross @Remittancegirl
                  Does the Skullularity create a black hole which removes quantum cranularity, or are they just as thick as two short Plancks?

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                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                    @Infoseepage Good point!

                    But it will almost certainly also identify works whose authors are adamantly opposed to the use of LLMs, that are off-limits for training, and where the copyright owners will sue. (If this had existed in 2016 it'd have made the Anthropic AI class action lawsuit an absolute slam-dunk.)

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                    @cstross Yeah, I'm not saying that there's no benefit to this, but so far what we've largely seen from western legal system is nothing and that's probably reflective of the political hierarchs coming out firmly in support of AI, money laundering tokens and every other morally reprehensible scheme, so long as they get their cut.

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                    • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

                      @cstross Yeah, I'm not saying that there's no benefit to this, but so far what we've largely seen from western legal system is nothing and that's probably reflective of the political hierarchs coming out firmly in support of AI, money laundering tokens and every other morally reprehensible scheme, so long as they get their cut.

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                      @cstross
                      To me, the legal cases against llm creative regurgitation engines should already be so strong as to result in these companies flat out being ended by the judgments levied against them, but that's not what we've seen so far. The first time these things started spewing out paragraph after paragraph of Stephen King verbatim on demand, that should have been the end of these companies.

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                      • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

                        @cstross
                        To me, the legal cases against llm creative regurgitation engines should already be so strong as to result in these companies flat out being ended by the judgments levied against them, but that's not what we've seen so far. The first time these things started spewing out paragraph after paragraph of Stephen King verbatim on demand, that should have been the end of these companies.

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                        @cstross I'm curious if you've ever tried interrogating any of the popular llms to test if they've ingested your works. It seems like you've created enough niche terms, which might not come up in synopsis and reviews that the presence of these terms in llm output might be indicative of ingestion.

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                        • highlandlawyer@mastodon.socialH highlandlawyer@mastodon.social

                          @cstross @Remittancegirl
                          Does the Skullularity create a black hole which removes quantum cranularity, or are they just as thick as two short Plancks?

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                          @HighlandLawyer 🤣 @cstross @Remittancegirl

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                          • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                            @Moonlight_Crazy Don't know, they haven't launched yet. Check the web site.

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                            RE: https://wandering.shop/@JulietEMcKenna/116204472303378959

                            @cstross @Moonlight_Crazy there is also this: https://mastodon.social/@JulietEMcKenna@wandering.shop/116204472955758150

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                            • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

                              @cstross I'm curious if you've ever tried interrogating any of the popular llms to test if they've ingested your works. It seems like you've created enough niche terms, which might not come up in synopsis and reviews that the presence of these terms in llm output might be indicative of ingestion.

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                              @cstross You might consider placing very specific invented words with globally unique spellings into your works as a way of testing this in the future. It might provide a means of strongly claiming individual harm if the the winds shift and these companies start getting judgments levied against them.

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                              • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

                                @cstross I'm curious if you've ever tried interrogating any of the popular llms to test if they've ingested your works. It seems like you've created enough niche terms, which might not come up in synopsis and reviews that the presence of these terms in llm output might be indicative of ingestion.

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                                @Infoseepage No, but I *know* they have: I joined the Anthropic class action settlement and they had 28 out of 33 of my books listed as eligible for the pay-out (so of course I claimed). It's a pittance, but every penny helps ...

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                                • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

                                  @cstross You might consider placing very specific invented words with globally unique spellings into your works as a way of testing this in the future. It might provide a means of strongly claiming individual harm if the the winds shift and these companies start getting judgments levied against them.

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                                  @Infoseepage I see you like torturing copy-editors!

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                                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                    The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/

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                                    @cstross That image accompanying the toot looks very much AI authored to me

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                                    • burningtyger@nrw.socialB burningtyger@nrw.social

                                      @cstross That image accompanying the toot looks very much AI authored to me

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                                      @burningTyger Yes: but if you click through, the original larger image looks a bit more plausible. Except it's greyed-out until the website fully goes live in a few hours. If it *is* AI generated, then the potential for blowback is enormous.

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                                      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                        The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/

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                                        @cstross

                                        we shouldn't have to pay some org to get a document to certify our humanity.

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                                        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                          The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/

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                                          @cstross

                                          Really looking forward to the AI bubble bursting.

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