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The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/

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  • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

    @cstross This will help AI scrapers (who've never respected licensing terms, terms of service, copyright, etc.) immensely by providing them with an ongoing training data guaranteed to not be AI tainted.Thanks, Society of Authors! Great job.

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    @Infoseepage Good point!

    But it will almost certainly also identify works whose authors are adamantly opposed to the use of LLMs, that are off-limits for training, and where the copyright owners will sue. (If this had existed in 2016 it'd have made the Anthropic AI class action lawsuit an absolute slam-dunk.)

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    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

      The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/

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      @cstross

      well... we'll see but i fear it will be something else authors are going to be expected to pay for that doesn't really move the needle

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      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

        @HighlandLawyer @Remittancegirl Yes, only even worse. (Am currently writing a sequence in which someone in authority learns that an entire barrier reef of skulls have disappeared from an ossuary world because these ass-hats are trying to bring about the Skullularity.)

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        @cstross @Remittancegirl
        Does the Skullularity create a black hole which removes quantum cranularity, or are they just as thick as two short Plancks?

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        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

          @Infoseepage Good point!

          But it will almost certainly also identify works whose authors are adamantly opposed to the use of LLMs, that are off-limits for training, and where the copyright owners will sue. (If this had existed in 2016 it'd have made the Anthropic AI class action lawsuit an absolute slam-dunk.)

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          @cstross Yeah, I'm not saying that there's no benefit to this, but so far what we've largely seen from western legal system is nothing and that's probably reflective of the political hierarchs coming out firmly in support of AI, money laundering tokens and every other morally reprehensible scheme, so long as they get their cut.

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          • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

            @cstross Yeah, I'm not saying that there's no benefit to this, but so far what we've largely seen from western legal system is nothing and that's probably reflective of the political hierarchs coming out firmly in support of AI, money laundering tokens and every other morally reprehensible scheme, so long as they get their cut.

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            @cstross
            To me, the legal cases against llm creative regurgitation engines should already be so strong as to result in these companies flat out being ended by the judgments levied against them, but that's not what we've seen so far. The first time these things started spewing out paragraph after paragraph of Stephen King verbatim on demand, that should have been the end of these companies.

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            • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

              @cstross
              To me, the legal cases against llm creative regurgitation engines should already be so strong as to result in these companies flat out being ended by the judgments levied against them, but that's not what we've seen so far. The first time these things started spewing out paragraph after paragraph of Stephen King verbatim on demand, that should have been the end of these companies.

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              @cstross I'm curious if you've ever tried interrogating any of the popular llms to test if they've ingested your works. It seems like you've created enough niche terms, which might not come up in synopsis and reviews that the presence of these terms in llm output might be indicative of ingestion.

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              • highlandlawyer@mastodon.socialH highlandlawyer@mastodon.social

                @cstross @Remittancegirl
                Does the Skullularity create a black hole which removes quantum cranularity, or are they just as thick as two short Plancks?

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                @HighlandLawyer 🤣 @cstross @Remittancegirl

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                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                  @Moonlight_Crazy Don't know, they haven't launched yet. Check the web site.

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                  RE: https://wandering.shop/@JulietEMcKenna/116204472303378959

                  @cstross @Moonlight_Crazy there is also this: https://mastodon.social/@JulietEMcKenna@wandering.shop/116204472955758150

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                  • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

                    @cstross I'm curious if you've ever tried interrogating any of the popular llms to test if they've ingested your works. It seems like you've created enough niche terms, which might not come up in synopsis and reviews that the presence of these terms in llm output might be indicative of ingestion.

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                    @cstross You might consider placing very specific invented words with globally unique spellings into your works as a way of testing this in the future. It might provide a means of strongly claiming individual harm if the the winds shift and these companies start getting judgments levied against them.

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                    • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

                      @cstross I'm curious if you've ever tried interrogating any of the popular llms to test if they've ingested your works. It seems like you've created enough niche terms, which might not come up in synopsis and reviews that the presence of these terms in llm output might be indicative of ingestion.

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                      @Infoseepage No, but I *know* they have: I joined the Anthropic class action settlement and they had 28 out of 33 of my books listed as eligible for the pay-out (so of course I claimed). It's a pittance, but every penny helps ...

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                      • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

                        @cstross You might consider placing very specific invented words with globally unique spellings into your works as a way of testing this in the future. It might provide a means of strongly claiming individual harm if the the winds shift and these companies start getting judgments levied against them.

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                        @Infoseepage I see you like torturing copy-editors!

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                        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                          The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/

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                          @cstross That image accompanying the toot looks very much AI authored to me

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                          • burningtyger@nrw.socialB burningtyger@nrw.social

                            @cstross That image accompanying the toot looks very much AI authored to me

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                            @burningTyger Yes: but if you click through, the original larger image looks a bit more plausible. Except it's greyed-out until the website fully goes live in a few hours. If it *is* AI generated, then the potential for blowback is enormous.

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                            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                              The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/

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                              @cstross

                              we shouldn't have to pay some org to get a document to certify our humanity.

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                              • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/

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                                @cstross

                                Really looking forward to the AI bubble bursting.

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                                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                  @burningTyger Yes: but if you click through, the original larger image looks a bit more plausible. Except it's greyed-out until the website fully goes live in a few hours. If it *is* AI generated, then the potential for blowback is enormous.

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                                  @cstross What's all that supposed to be? Chairs winding through the room? Two tables floating into one, the girl reading stuff on the table in the front while hers is empty? A weird lokking box with a plant on it that grows into the table and a chair next to it? This is AI generated.

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                                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                    @burningTyger Yes: but if you click through, the original larger image looks a bit more plausible. Except it's greyed-out until the website fully goes live in a few hours. If it *is* AI generated, then the potential for blowback is enormous.

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                                    @cstross

                                    The original image is not marked as AI:

                                    https://www.freepik.com/premium-photo/smiling-woman-is-enjoying-herself-cozy-cafe-while-savoring-hot-beverage-aig58_260988593.htm

                                    But most of the images on that profile with that topic are:

                                     

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                                    • burningtyger@nrw.socialB burningtyger@nrw.social

                                      @cstross What's all that supposed to be? Chairs winding through the room? Two tables floating into one, the girl reading stuff on the table in the front while hers is empty? A weird lokking box with a plant on it that grows into the table and a chair next to it? This is AI generated.

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                                      @burningTyger My eyesight isn't good enough to examine images. (I'm awaiting cataract surgery in one eye and am half-blind in the other.)

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                                      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                        The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/

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                                        @cstross

                                        What's this say about society?

                                        I thought "made with real cheese" or "no artificial flavors" was bad. Why we making fake cheese anyway... profits for stock investors...

                                        Always fighting against evil we are.

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                                          @cstross

                                          Really looking forward to the AI bubble bursting.

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                                          AI will hurt the economy before it helps it. Here’s what comes after, according to Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz | Fortune

                                          The short-term pain is real, and we are not ready for it. The long-term picture, Stiglitz argues, is something else entirely.

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                                          Just a moment...

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                                          https://archive.is/t1Z5l
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                                          Link Preview Image
                                          The AI bubble will pop. It’s up to us to replace it responsibly | Mark Surman

                                          When bubbles burst, what comes next can be better, if we build it differently

                                          favicon

                                          the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)

                                          Link Preview Image
                                          Blinking New Warning Sign Appears for AI Industry

                                          Fears over an AI bubble continue to grow as analysts warn that companies are massively overinvesting, according to a new survey.

                                          favicon

                                          Futurism (futurism.com)

                                          Link Preview Image
                                          AI companies will fail. We can salvage something from the wreckage | Cory Doctorow

                                          AI is asbestos in the walls of our tech society, stuffed there by monopolists run amok. A serious fight against it must strike at its roots

                                          favicon

                                          the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)

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                                          @Npars01 @cstross I'd say the current wave of AI investment is the greatest misallocation of resources in human history but I suspect we could legit Homer Simpson that one because I have faith in humanity that we can misallocate even *more* resources in the future somehow.

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