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  • woltiv@mastodon.socialW woltiv@mastodon.social

    @datarama @ainmosni @Lemmus @cstross The argument of “it’s bad at its job” is always the weakest argument because we went from nightmare fuel image gen to telling grok to make someone nude in just a couple years.

    The way the Gen AI was trained and the economic and psychological impact are the arguments that won’t go away, and are what I try to focus on when discussing it.

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    @woltiv @ainmosni @Lemmus @cstross

    Sure, but those are *features*, rather than bugs, to the people deploying this.

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    • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

      @cstross This is how they get us.

      Writers would never use AI-generated slop writing, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop imagery.
      Artists would never use AI-generated slop imagery, but they'll happily display art to AI-generated slop music.
      Musicians would never use AI-generated slop music, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop writing for lyrics.

      (And nobody cares about AI-generated slop code.)

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      @datarama @cstross I wish more coders would, but at least I know I'm not alone in hating all kinds of AI slop.

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      • ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA ainmosni@social.ainmosni.eu

        @datarama @cstross I wish I could say that people cared about slop code, but too many devs are showing just how little they care about the quality of their work.

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        @ainmosni @datarama @cstross

        I have seen firsthand how programmers get actively deskilled with slop code.

        People I respected stopped being able to explain and justify the changes they pushed.
        Because they did not remember. Because they did not write it.

        ANYWAYS

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        • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

          @cstross This is how they get us.

          Writers would never use AI-generated slop writing, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop imagery.
          Artists would never use AI-generated slop imagery, but they'll happily display art to AI-generated slop music.
          Musicians would never use AI-generated slop music, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop writing for lyrics.

          (And nobody cares about AI-generated slop code.)

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          @datarama @cstross It’s depressingly Pastor Niemöller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came).

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          • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

            @cstross This is how they get us.

            Writers would never use AI-generated slop writing, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop imagery.
            Artists would never use AI-generated slop imagery, but they'll happily display art to AI-generated slop music.
            Musicians would never use AI-generated slop music, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop writing for lyrics.

            (And nobody cares about AI-generated slop code.)

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            @datarama @cstross this is why developing skills in multiple areas is so important. That way, we get hives from all the slop, not just one type.

            (I find I yick hard regardless of media type. As far as my brain is concerned, it’s shoggoths all the way down.)

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            • hareguizer@mastodon.artH hareguizer@mastodon.art

              @datarama @cstross this is why developing skills in multiple areas is so important. That way, we get hives from all the slop, not just one type.

              (I find I yick hard regardless of media type. As far as my brain is concerned, it’s shoggoths all the way down.)

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              @Hareguizer @cstross That's me, I guess. I make software for a living, but I also used to draw (and make pixel art), play a couple of musical instruments, and write (bad) short fiction.

              This is wonderful! It means that living in 2026 is a giant pile of unending disgust.

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                @cstross

                Really looking forward to the AI bubble bursting.

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                When bubbles burst, what comes next can be better, if we build it differently

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                Fears over an AI bubble continue to grow as analysts warn that companies are massively overinvesting, according to a new survey.

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                AI is asbestos in the walls of our tech society, stuffed there by monopolists run amok. A serious fight against it must strike at its roots

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                @Npars01 @cstross

                I don't understand why nearly every science fiction author is opposed to the most science fiction technology in decades

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                  @Npars01 @cstross

                  I don't understand why nearly every science fiction author is opposed to the most science fiction technology in decades

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                  @a @cstross

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                  At a Pittsburgh summit, the Trump administration, energy executives, and tech barons joined as one to promote AI as the future of fossil fuels.

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                  AI Energy Demand Can Keep Fossil Fuels Alive, Tech Backers Promise World’s Two Biggest Oil Producers

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                  Science fiction authors may be into systems thinking; the kind of thinking that predicts the consequences of a hyped up, error prone product designed to wastefully burn fossil fuels to keep oil oligarchs rich.

                  AI is a product accelerating an ecocide.

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                  The same folks who funded 9/11 & the Jan 6 coup attempt
                  https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/27/technology/saudi-arabia-ai-exporter.html

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                    At a Pittsburgh summit, the Trump administration, energy executives, and tech barons joined as one to promote AI as the future of fossil fuels.

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                    AI Energy Demand Can Keep Fossil Fuels Alive, Tech Backers Promise World’s Two Biggest Oil Producers

                    An AI-fossil fuel axis is forming in the U.S. and Saudi Arabia as AI advocates pledge an endless need for energy — spelling disaster for the climate.

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                    Utilities started reversing coal power’s “irreversible” decline. Will it last?

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                    Science fiction authors may be into systems thinking; the kind of thinking that predicts the consequences of a hyped up, error prone product designed to wastefully burn fossil fuels to keep oil oligarchs rich.

                    AI is a product accelerating an ecocide.

                    Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

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                    Attention Required! | Cloudflare

                    favicon

                    (www.arabnews.com)

                    The same folks who funded 9/11 & the Jan 6 coup attempt
                    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/27/technology/saudi-arabia-ai-exporter.html

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                    AI is a circular financial fraud, no different than Enron.

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                    • a@girllich.linkA a@girllich.link

                      @Npars01 @cstross

                      I don't understand why nearly every science fiction author is opposed to the most science fiction technology in decades

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                      @a @Npars01 Because we can see the second-order consequences and they are going to be *brutal*. (Also, the current AI stuff is basically marketing hype by right-wing investors like a16z looking to steal pension funds and loot stable businesses, and the mind uploading hype is from born-again Xtians who can't quite believe in Jesus any more so they want a less implausible, technological replacement.)

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                        @passenger @a @Npars01 For a more nuanced explanation, there's this talk I gave at a conference in 2023 (later turned into an op-ed in Scientific American): https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2023/11/dont-create-the-torment-nexus.html

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                        • a@girllich.linkA a@girllich.link

                          @Npars01 @cstross

                          I don't understand why nearly every science fiction author is opposed to the most science fiction technology in decades

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                          @a @Npars01 @cstross because science fiction isn’t actually about cool gadgets, but about how people deal with technology and each other. It also helps that the current thing is a fiction itself and not an actual transformative technology.

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                            @davidgerard Well yes, but that still does not fill me with confidence in their ability to fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

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                            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                              @passenger @a @Npars01 For a more nuanced explanation, there's this talk I gave at a conference in 2023 (later turned into an op-ed in Scientific American): https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2023/11/dont-create-the-torment-nexus.html

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                              @cstross @passenger @a @Npars01 “it sells cars to customers who think it means they can relax and watch a movie while they commute” leaving aside some deeper issues, we already have technologies that allow you to watch a movie on your commute. They’re just futuristic and sexy: trains and buses.

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                                @cstross @passenger @a @Npars01 “it sells cars to customers who think it means they can relax and watch a movie while they commute” leaving aside some deeper issues, we already have technologies that allow you to watch a movie on your commute. They’re just futuristic and sexy: trains and buses.

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                                @c0dec0dec0de @cstross @passenger @a @Npars01 That's basically why I'd want one. We took an annual road trip for a long time to visit my in-laws. It was about 12 hours driving each time. There is no equivalent bus or train because I'm in the US where you're lucky to have either within a hundred miles.

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                                • gooba42@mastodon.socialG gooba42@mastodon.social

                                  @c0dec0dec0de @cstross @passenger @a @Npars01 That's basically why I'd want one. We took an annual road trip for a long time to visit my in-laws. It was about 12 hours driving each time. There is no equivalent bus or train because I'm in the US where you're lucky to have either within a hundred miles.

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                                  @gooba42 underlying/deeper issues in previous toot was meant to avoid talking about suburbanization and car-culture making the proliferation of railways in the US both difficult and a political poison pill for a number of large donor industries, cars only being the most obvious.
                                  @cstross @passenger @a @Npars01

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                                  • c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.ioC c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io

                                    @a @Npars01 @cstross because science fiction isn’t actually about cool gadgets, but about how people deal with technology and each other. It also helps that the current thing is a fiction itself and not an actual transformative technology.

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                                    @c0dec0dec0de @a @Npars01 @cstross this needs to be embossed on an iron brand and stamped on the face of any techbro who reads sci-fi and says "wouldnt it be cool if we had..."

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                                    • meganl@mas.toM meganl@mas.to

                                      @cstross Unfortunately I've seen this a lot - authors using AI artwork based on theft while decrying theft of their writing....

                                      It's more of leopards eating faces, I guess...

                                      #FuckAI

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                                      @meganL @cstross AI thrives because everyone has been convinced that they must seek personal success and cut all costs to maximize personal profit.

                                      Meanwhile, the type of work that meets that bar is rare and rarely of a quality that drives sales.

                                      Creative folks need creative friends, this has always been true. Authors who want to save time and money in that arena are depriving themselves of a deeply enriching life. Nevermind thieving from others, they steal from themselves too.

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                                      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                        The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/

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                                        @cstross@wandering.shop doesn’t seem to ditched the AI artwork

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                                        • asprinkleofsage@mastodon.socialA asprinkleofsage@mastodon.social

                                          @c0dec0dec0de @a @Npars01 @cstross this needs to be embossed on an iron brand and stamped on the face of any techbro who reads sci-fi and says "wouldnt it be cool if we had..."

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                                          @ASprinkleofSage @a @Npars01 @cstross seems a little wordy, maybe reduce to “poor reading comprehension” or “epically bad listener”

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