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  • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

    @cstross This is how they get us.

    Writers would never use AI-generated slop writing, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop imagery.
    Artists would never use AI-generated slop imagery, but they'll happily display art to AI-generated slop music.
    Musicians would never use AI-generated slop music, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop writing for lyrics.

    (And nobody cares about AI-generated slop code.)

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    @datarama @cstross
    I hate autotune but I love drum machines. Maybe hypocrisy. Idk.

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    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

      The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/

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      @cstross
      AI has shown us one thing. We vastly underestimate the complexity, skill and creativity behind *other* people's work. It's never our work that AI can replace only those minor things other people do.

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      • ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA ainmosni@social.ainmosni.eu

        @datarama @cstross I wish I could say that people cared about slop code, but too many devs are showing just how little they care about the quality of their work.

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        @ainmosni @datarama @cstross Development is fairly unique among the creative professions in that it contains a lot of primarily financially focused careerists who know that the way to succeed ( and now survive ) is to ride whatever the current wave of hype is.

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        • toerror@mastodon.gamedev.placeT toerror@mastodon.gamedev.place

          @ainmosni @datarama @cstross Development is fairly unique among the creative professions in that it contains a lot of primarily financially focused careerists who know that the way to succeed ( and now survive ) is to ride whatever the current wave of hype is.

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          @toerror @ainmosni @datarama This is new this century. I think things were rather different in the 20th century, changing significantly from the early 1970s through to the late 1990s. The new finance focus has really taken root since 2008. (Which was, oh, 18 years ago, so a generation. /me: old now.)

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          • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

            @cstross This is how they get us.

            Writers would never use AI-generated slop writing, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop imagery.
            Artists would never use AI-generated slop imagery, but they'll happily display art to AI-generated slop music.
            Musicians would never use AI-generated slop music, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop writing for lyrics.

            (And nobody cares about AI-generated slop code.)

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            @datarama @cstross This is it. The danger is that generative AI content is corrosive to human connection.

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            • toerror@mastodon.gamedev.placeT toerror@mastodon.gamedev.place

              @ainmosni @datarama @cstross Development is fairly unique among the creative professions in that it contains a lot of primarily financially focused careerists who know that the way to succeed ( and now survive ) is to ride whatever the current wave of hype is.

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              @toerror @ainmosni @cstross It's also fairly unique in that most of the practicioners don't regard themselves as members of a creative profession at all.

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              • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                @toerror @ainmosni @cstross It's also fairly unique in that most of the practicioners don't regard themselves as members of a creative profession at all.

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                @toerror @ainmosni @cstross As I've been saying for the last three years or so:

                Programming is an art form, and we know this because the tech industry came to destroy programming at exactly the same time it came to destroy all other art.

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                • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                  @ainmosni @Lemmus @cstross I really don't know. And that scares me, to be honest. The slop machines got a lot better than I thought they would, and also they improved faster than I thought they would.

                  Software dev is basically the only thing I can do, so if the entire field does get steamrolled by AI, I'm pretty screwed.

                  But hey: *Usually* the smart money isn't on the very worried guy who happens to have a clinical anxiety disorder or two being right. I could well be wrong!

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                  @datarama @ainmosni @Lemmus @cstross
                  I fear that AI doesn't replace me because it's better than (or at least as good as) me at writing code, but despite it's bad at it, because it's faster/cheaper (in the short term, ignoring damage by broken software that apparently no one cares about anymore)

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                  • holothuroid@rollenspiel.socialH holothuroid@rollenspiel.social

                    @cstross
                    AI has shown us one thing. We vastly underestimate the complexity, skill and creativity behind *other* people's work. It's never our work that AI can replace only those minor things other people do.

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                    @holothuroid @cstross Ayuuuuuuuup.

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                    • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                      @ainmosni @Lemmus @cstross I really don't know. And that scares me, to be honest. The slop machines got a lot better than I thought they would, and also they improved faster than I thought they would.

                      Software dev is basically the only thing I can do, so if the entire field does get steamrolled by AI, I'm pretty screwed.

                      But hey: *Usually* the smart money isn't on the very worried guy who happens to have a clinical anxiety disorder or two being right. I could well be wrong!

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                      @datarama @ainmosni @Lemmus @cstross The argument of “it’s bad at its job” is always the weakest argument because we went from nightmare fuel image gen to telling grok to make someone nude in just a couple years.

                      The way the Gen AI was trained and the economic and psychological impact are the arguments that won’t go away, and are what I try to focus on when discussing it.

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                      • woltiv@mastodon.socialW woltiv@mastodon.social

                        @datarama @ainmosni @Lemmus @cstross The argument of “it’s bad at its job” is always the weakest argument because we went from nightmare fuel image gen to telling grok to make someone nude in just a couple years.

                        The way the Gen AI was trained and the economic and psychological impact are the arguments that won’t go away, and are what I try to focus on when discussing it.

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                        @woltiv @ainmosni @Lemmus @cstross

                        Sure, but those are *features*, rather than bugs, to the people deploying this.

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                        • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                          @cstross This is how they get us.

                          Writers would never use AI-generated slop writing, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop imagery.
                          Artists would never use AI-generated slop imagery, but they'll happily display art to AI-generated slop music.
                          Musicians would never use AI-generated slop music, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop writing for lyrics.

                          (And nobody cares about AI-generated slop code.)

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                          @datarama @cstross I wish more coders would, but at least I know I'm not alone in hating all kinds of AI slop.

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                          • ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA ainmosni@social.ainmosni.eu

                            @datarama @cstross I wish I could say that people cared about slop code, but too many devs are showing just how little they care about the quality of their work.

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                            @ainmosni @datarama @cstross

                            I have seen firsthand how programmers get actively deskilled with slop code.

                            People I respected stopped being able to explain and justify the changes they pushed.
                            Because they did not remember. Because they did not write it.

                            ANYWAYS

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                            • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                              @cstross This is how they get us.

                              Writers would never use AI-generated slop writing, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop imagery.
                              Artists would never use AI-generated slop imagery, but they'll happily display art to AI-generated slop music.
                              Musicians would never use AI-generated slop music, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop writing for lyrics.

                              (And nobody cares about AI-generated slop code.)

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                              @datarama @cstross It’s depressingly Pastor Niemöller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came).

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                              • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                                @cstross This is how they get us.

                                Writers would never use AI-generated slop writing, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop imagery.
                                Artists would never use AI-generated slop imagery, but they'll happily display art to AI-generated slop music.
                                Musicians would never use AI-generated slop music, but they'll happily use AI-generated slop writing for lyrics.

                                (And nobody cares about AI-generated slop code.)

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                                @datarama @cstross this is why developing skills in multiple areas is so important. That way, we get hives from all the slop, not just one type.

                                (I find I yick hard regardless of media type. As far as my brain is concerned, it’s shoggoths all the way down.)

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                                  @datarama @cstross this is why developing skills in multiple areas is so important. That way, we get hives from all the slop, not just one type.

                                  (I find I yick hard regardless of media type. As far as my brain is concerned, it’s shoggoths all the way down.)

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                                  @Hareguizer @cstross That's me, I guess. I make software for a living, but I also used to draw (and make pixel art), play a couple of musical instruments, and write (bad) short fiction.

                                  This is wonderful! It means that living in 2026 is a giant pile of unending disgust.

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                                    @cstross

                                    Really looking forward to the AI bubble bursting.

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                                    @Npars01 @cstross

                                    I don't understand why nearly every science fiction author is opposed to the most science fiction technology in decades

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                                      I don't understand why nearly every science fiction author is opposed to the most science fiction technology in decades

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                                      @a @cstross

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                                      AI is a product accelerating an ecocide.

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                                        AI is a circular financial fraud, no different than Enron.

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                                          @Npars01 @cstross

                                          I don't understand why nearly every science fiction author is opposed to the most science fiction technology in decades

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                                          @a @Npars01 Because we can see the second-order consequences and they are going to be *brutal*. (Also, the current AI stuff is basically marketing hype by right-wing investors like a16z looking to steal pension funds and loot stable businesses, and the mind uploading hype is from born-again Xtians who can't quite believe in Jesus any more so they want a less implausible, technological replacement.)

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