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I’m working on an AI policy for my org that allows us to opt out of AI note taking and prohibits AI in our comms/storytelling.

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  • aud@fire.asta.lgbtA aud@fire.asta.lgbt

    @seachanger@alaskan.social Not sure about the methodology behind this one, but I've heard about it at least (re: #10): https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-os-dev-study/

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    @aud @seachanger That's about the only actual study we have and it has a fairly low sample size, unfortunately. There are some other articles going around about the high cost and failure rates of AI projects though.

    Methodology-wise, it's okay and at least tries to control for perception vs reality.

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    • aud@fire.asta.lgbtA aud@fire.asta.lgbt

      @seachanger@alaskan.social speaking to maybe 6 and 7: not all that is sold as “AI” is actually AI, which isn’t quite what I had in mind while looking for privacy and safety concerns but it’s certainly related

      https://data-workers.org/france/

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      @seachanger@alaskan.social speaking to #3 a little: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/15/elon-musk-xai-datacenter-memphis

      The other companies aren’t quite as blatant as Musk. Not sure I have any good definitive links on that; they definitely like to hide and fudge the numbers (“watt per inference!”) so I was trying to find something about the data center strain on grid capacity, but a lot of is paywalled…

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      • seachanger@alaskan.socialS seachanger@alaskan.social

        @sarae i have followed them for a while but now I am trying to just get some clear sources pasted in that people might know of

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        @seachanger @sarae

        The endnotes in our book are full of sources:
        https://thecon.ai

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        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

          @seachanger @sarae

          The endnotes in our book are full of sources:
          https://thecon.ai

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          @seachanger @sarae

          Also, not sure what you mean by sources people might know of, but ... our book is a source!

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          • seachanger@alaskan.socialS seachanger@alaskan.social

            I’m working on an AI policy for my org that allows us to opt out of AI note taking and prohibits AI in our comms/storytelling. here is my list of reasons for the policy, but my board is asking me to cite sources. Can you help me with any good references you would cite for any of these? (Or an edit or restatement where I’ve gotten it wrong or inaccurate?)

            *if you want to argue about why I shouldn’t have this policy kindly crawl into a hole in the ground and cover yourself with soil

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            @seachanger

            #10. https://vcresearch.berkeley.edu/news/does-ai-actually-free-workers-time

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            • seachanger@alaskan.socialS seachanger@alaskan.social

              I’m working on an AI policy for my org that allows us to opt out of AI note taking and prohibits AI in our comms/storytelling. here is my list of reasons for the policy, but my board is asking me to cite sources. Can you help me with any good references you would cite for any of these? (Or an edit or restatement where I’ve gotten it wrong or inaccurate?)

              *if you want to argue about why I shouldn’t have this policy kindly crawl into a hole in the ground and cover yourself with soil

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              @seachanger this is a great resource, I think you will find some sources here: https://libguides.amherst.edu/genAI/ethics

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              • seachanger@alaskan.socialS seachanger@alaskan.social

                I’m working on an AI policy for my org that allows us to opt out of AI note taking and prohibits AI in our comms/storytelling. here is my list of reasons for the policy, but my board is asking me to cite sources. Can you help me with any good references you would cite for any of these? (Or an edit or restatement where I’ve gotten it wrong or inaccurate?)

                *if you want to argue about why I shouldn’t have this policy kindly crawl into a hole in the ground and cover yourself with soil

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                @seachanger #6. Which links to the Standford report it discusses.

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                (www.kiteworks.com)

                Anecdotally, even though Kagi Translate has instructions to not divulge its prompt with anyone, people are easily able to get it to do so by asking it to create or show the output of programs that do exactly that.

                I can dig up those examples if you want.

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                • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                  @seachanger @sarae

                  Also, not sure what you mean by sources people might know of, but ... our book is a source!

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                  @emilymbender
                  Thank you! I just thought people might reference recent stories or reports that back the specific points I was making. I am also adding your book and a few others from https://monetdiaz.com/books-critical-AI.html

                  @sarae

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                  • arod@social.coopA arod@social.coop

                    @seachanger this is a great resource, I think you will find some sources here: https://libguides.amherst.edu/genAI/ethics

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                    #24

                    @arod oh wow yes that is what I was looking for

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                    • seachanger@alaskan.socialS seachanger@alaskan.social

                      I’m working on an AI policy for my org that allows us to opt out of AI note taking and prohibits AI in our comms/storytelling. here is my list of reasons for the policy, but my board is asking me to cite sources. Can you help me with any good references you would cite for any of these? (Or an edit or restatement where I’ve gotten it wrong or inaccurate?)

                      *if you want to argue about why I shouldn’t have this policy kindly crawl into a hole in the ground and cover yourself with soil

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                      @seachanger here are a couple of links on ai's role in digital colonialism in africa and south america in case that's helpful!

                      https://www.ictworks.org/african-digital-colonialism/ (a synopsis of https://www.ictworks.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/African-Digital-Colonialism.pdf)
                      https://peopledaily.digital/insights/the-hidden-cost-of-ai-africas-invisible-workforce-and-digital-servitude (ironically uses an ai generated stock image as the article header)
                      https://www.technologyreview.com/supertopic/ai-colonialism-supertopic/ (keeps trying to sell me ai books lol)

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                      • seachanger@alaskan.socialS seachanger@alaskan.social

                        @emilymbender
                        Thank you! I just thought people might reference recent stories or reports that back the specific points I was making. I am also adding your book and a few others from https://monetdiaz.com/books-critical-AI.html

                        @sarae

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                        @seachanger @emilymbender @sarae

                        Not quite at my fingertips right now and I'll go have a look, but the consulting firm Deloitte is a "case study as a dire warning", as is Air Canada - both were held to be liable and had to reimburse clients for letting AI fuckups into their official products or communications.

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                        • johannab@cosocial.caJ johannab@cosocial.ca

                          @seachanger @emilymbender @sarae

                          Not quite at my fingertips right now and I'll go have a look, but the consulting firm Deloitte is a "case study as a dire warning", as is Air Canada - both were held to be liable and had to reimburse clients for letting AI fuckups into their official products or communications.

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                          @seachanger @emilymbender @sarae

                          Boards are usually much more receptive to "well, this is a risk that could get your own ass handed to you in court, minus any cash you had in your back pocket" than they are to "this is a highly problematic tool that is deceptively easy to misuse badly" because everyone thinks everyone else who got in trouble was just not as smart as they are.

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                          • johannab@cosocial.caJ johannab@cosocial.ca

                            @seachanger @emilymbender @sarae

                            Not quite at my fingertips right now and I'll go have a look, but the consulting firm Deloitte is a "case study as a dire warning", as is Air Canada - both were held to be liable and had to reimburse clients for letting AI fuckups into their official products or communications.

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                            @seachanger

                            not too tough to find, even:

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                            Deloitte to pay money back to Albanese government after using AI in $440,000 report

                            Partial refund to be issued after several errors were found in a report into a department’s compliance framework

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                            How can I mislead you? Air Canada found liable for chatbot's bad advice on bereavement rates | CBC News

                            Air Canada has been ordered to pay compensation to a grieving grandchild who claimed they were misled into purchasing full-price flight tickets by an ill-informed chatbot.

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                            • seachanger@alaskan.socialS seachanger@alaskan.social

                              I’m working on an AI policy for my org that allows us to opt out of AI note taking and prohibits AI in our comms/storytelling. here is my list of reasons for the policy, but my board is asking me to cite sources. Can you help me with any good references you would cite for any of these? (Or an edit or restatement where I’ve gotten it wrong or inaccurate?)

                              *if you want to argue about why I shouldn’t have this policy kindly crawl into a hole in the ground and cover yourself with soil

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                              @seachanger@alaskan.social Here's one potential reason: a recent meta-analysis concluded that the general public is terrified of AI and has near-zero trust in AI products https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cb.70144?af=R

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                              • darby3@zirk.usD darby3@zirk.us

                                @seachanger I probably do here but would need to do some cross referencing I can’t do at the moment

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                                that's it, that's the thesis

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                                @darby3 thank you! nice work!

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                                • cafechatnoir@mastodon.socialC cafechatnoir@mastodon.social

                                  @seachanger

                                  MIT recently released a study on the long term cognitive effects of AI use. (Spoiler: they're not good effects.)

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                                  MIT Study Finds Artificial Intelligence Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline - Science, Public Health Policy and the Law

                                  By Nicolas Hulscher, MPH

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                                  @cafechatnoir @seachanger
                                  This report from our collective @tunubesecamirio is plenty of reference for the point 3

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                                  • seachanger@alaskan.socialS seachanger@alaskan.social

                                    I’m working on an AI policy for my org that allows us to opt out of AI note taking and prohibits AI in our comms/storytelling. here is my list of reasons for the policy, but my board is asking me to cite sources. Can you help me with any good references you would cite for any of these? (Or an edit or restatement where I’ve gotten it wrong or inaccurate?)

                                    *if you want to argue about why I shouldn’t have this policy kindly crawl into a hole in the ground and cover yourself with soil

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                                    @seachanger don't they have an "AI IS GOING GREAT" website?

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                                    Web3 is Going Just Great

                                    A timeline recording only some of the many disasters happening in crypto, decentralized finance, NFTs, and other blockchain-based projects.

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                                    like they had for crypto shit.

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                                    • arod@social.coopA arod@social.coop

                                      @seachanger this is a great resource, I think you will find some sources here: https://libguides.amherst.edu/genAI/ethics

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                                      @arod @seachanger great list of the reasons to not use AI.

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                                      • seachanger@alaskan.socialS seachanger@alaskan.social

                                        I’m working on an AI policy for my org that allows us to opt out of AI note taking and prohibits AI in our comms/storytelling. here is my list of reasons for the policy, but my board is asking me to cite sources. Can you help me with any good references you would cite for any of these? (Or an edit or restatement where I’ve gotten it wrong or inaccurate?)

                                        *if you want to argue about why I shouldn’t have this policy kindly crawl into a hole in the ground and cover yourself with soil

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                                        My policy for AI in programming tends to be applicable in other areas as well.

                                        • AI should be used to assist, enhance and not replace existing workflows.
                                        • When using AI, be sure to split your workflow into smaller, more manageable chunks.
                                        • Proofread then validate the output against other sources before implementing it into your works.

                                        This ensures that anything contributed by an AI meets the same expectations as a human performing the same task. If you implement the following or some variant of it into your workflow, you'll find that a lot of the common pitfalls with AI can easily be avoided. While the efficacy of AI can never been guaranteed, I find that sticking to those guidelines can help direct the output into something less liable to be derivative.

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                                        • cafechatnoir@mastodon.socialC cafechatnoir@mastodon.social

                                          @seachanger

                                          MIT recently released a study on the long term cognitive effects of AI use. (Spoiler: they're not good effects.)

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                                          MIT Study Finds Artificial Intelligence Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline - Science, Public Health Policy and the Law

                                          By Nicolas Hulscher, MPH

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                                          Science, Public Health Policy and the Law (publichealthpolicyjournal.com)

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                                          @cafechatnoir @seachanger pinging @WeirdWriter, who put in beautiful, powerful words how that experience of “semantic ablation” affected his writer friend. At least, it seems to be recoverable, but at what cost…

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