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I’m working on an AI policy for my org that allows us to opt out of AI note taking and prohibits AI in our comms/storytelling.

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  • seachanger@alaskan.socialS seachanger@alaskan.social

    I’m working on an AI policy for my org that allows us to opt out of AI note taking and prohibits AI in our comms/storytelling. here is my list of reasons for the policy, but my board is asking me to cite sources. Can you help me with any good references you would cite for any of these? (Or an edit or restatement where I’ve gotten it wrong or inaccurate?)

    *if you want to argue about why I shouldn’t have this policy kindly crawl into a hole in the ground and cover yourself with soil

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    @seachanger I probably do here but would need to do some cross referencing I can’t do at the moment

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    that's it, that's the thesis

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    • sarae@ecoevo.socialS sarae@ecoevo.social

      @seachanger I would look to the work of @emilymbender and her colleagues

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      @sarae yes, also @skinnylatte comes to mind for AI & nonprofits

      @seachanger @emilymbender

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      • seachanger@alaskan.socialS seachanger@alaskan.social

        I’m working on an AI policy for my org that allows us to opt out of AI note taking and prohibits AI in our comms/storytelling. here is my list of reasons for the policy, but my board is asking me to cite sources. Can you help me with any good references you would cite for any of these? (Or an edit or restatement where I’ve gotten it wrong or inaccurate?)

        *if you want to argue about why I shouldn’t have this policy kindly crawl into a hole in the ground and cover yourself with soil

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        @seachanger

        MIT recently released a study on the long term cognitive effects of AI use. (Spoiler: they're not good effects.)

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        MIT Study Finds Artificial Intelligence Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline - Science, Public Health Policy and the Law

        By Nicolas Hulscher, MPH

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        Science, Public Health Policy and the Law (publichealthpolicyjournal.com)

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        • seachanger@alaskan.socialS seachanger@alaskan.social

          I’m working on an AI policy for my org that allows us to opt out of AI note taking and prohibits AI in our comms/storytelling. here is my list of reasons for the policy, but my board is asking me to cite sources. Can you help me with any good references you would cite for any of these? (Or an edit or restatement where I’ve gotten it wrong or inaccurate?)

          *if you want to argue about why I shouldn’t have this policy kindly crawl into a hole in the ground and cover yourself with soil

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          @seachanger

          Oh, and not necessarily something you can "cite" - but on the prohibition on AI in comms: The people you're communicating with deserve your time and energy in creating those messages.

          (I'm still salty about one of our executives sending out an intro email to use where he gleefully announced he used ChatGPT for it. How little does he think of us if he can't even be arsed to write his own email?)

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          • seachanger@alaskan.socialS seachanger@alaskan.social

            I’m working on an AI policy for my org that allows us to opt out of AI note taking and prohibits AI in our comms/storytelling. here is my list of reasons for the policy, but my board is asking me to cite sources. Can you help me with any good references you would cite for any of these? (Or an edit or restatement where I’ve gotten it wrong or inaccurate?)

            *if you want to argue about why I shouldn’t have this policy kindly crawl into a hole in the ground and cover yourself with soil

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            @seachanger contact a librarian ...not sure if you are connected to a university. I wasn't, but university librarians were always very happy to help me, and they're fast.

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            • aud@fire.asta.lgbtA aud@fire.asta.lgbt

              @seachanger@alaskan.social Regarding item #5: https://www.npr.org/2025/09/05/nx-s1-5529404/anthropic-settlement-authors-copyright-ai

              It's important to note, though, that the ruling walks a fine line: training of Claude was considered to be "fair use" (not a ruling I personally agree with but hey), however, the fact that Anthropic pirated all the materials was
              not. Anthropic settled on this claim rather than take it to trial, it seems.

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              @seachanger@alaskan.social speaking to maybe 6 and 7: not all that is sold as “AI” is actually AI, which isn’t quite what I had in mind while looking for privacy and safety concerns but it’s certainly related

              https://data-workers.org/france/

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              • aud@fire.asta.lgbtA aud@fire.asta.lgbt

                @seachanger@alaskan.social Not sure about the methodology behind this one, but I've heard about it at least (re: #10): https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-os-dev-study/

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                @aud @seachanger That's about the only actual study we have and it has a fairly low sample size, unfortunately. There are some other articles going around about the high cost and failure rates of AI projects though.

                Methodology-wise, it's okay and at least tries to control for perception vs reality.

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                • aud@fire.asta.lgbtA aud@fire.asta.lgbt

                  @seachanger@alaskan.social speaking to maybe 6 and 7: not all that is sold as “AI” is actually AI, which isn’t quite what I had in mind while looking for privacy and safety concerns but it’s certainly related

                  https://data-workers.org/france/

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                  @seachanger@alaskan.social speaking to #3 a little: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/15/elon-musk-xai-datacenter-memphis

                  The other companies aren’t quite as blatant as Musk. Not sure I have any good definitive links on that; they definitely like to hide and fudge the numbers (“watt per inference!”) so I was trying to find something about the data center strain on grid capacity, but a lot of is paywalled…

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                  • seachanger@alaskan.socialS seachanger@alaskan.social

                    @sarae i have followed them for a while but now I am trying to just get some clear sources pasted in that people might know of

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                    @seachanger @sarae

                    The endnotes in our book are full of sources:
                    https://thecon.ai

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                    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                      @seachanger @sarae

                      The endnotes in our book are full of sources:
                      https://thecon.ai

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                      @seachanger @sarae

                      Also, not sure what you mean by sources people might know of, but ... our book is a source!

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                      • seachanger@alaskan.socialS seachanger@alaskan.social

                        I’m working on an AI policy for my org that allows us to opt out of AI note taking and prohibits AI in our comms/storytelling. here is my list of reasons for the policy, but my board is asking me to cite sources. Can you help me with any good references you would cite for any of these? (Or an edit or restatement where I’ve gotten it wrong or inaccurate?)

                        *if you want to argue about why I shouldn’t have this policy kindly crawl into a hole in the ground and cover yourself with soil

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                        @seachanger

                        #10. https://vcresearch.berkeley.edu/news/does-ai-actually-free-workers-time

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                        • seachanger@alaskan.socialS seachanger@alaskan.social

                          I’m working on an AI policy for my org that allows us to opt out of AI note taking and prohibits AI in our comms/storytelling. here is my list of reasons for the policy, but my board is asking me to cite sources. Can you help me with any good references you would cite for any of these? (Or an edit or restatement where I’ve gotten it wrong or inaccurate?)

                          *if you want to argue about why I shouldn’t have this policy kindly crawl into a hole in the ground and cover yourself with soil

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                          @seachanger this is a great resource, I think you will find some sources here: https://libguides.amherst.edu/genAI/ethics

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                          • seachanger@alaskan.socialS seachanger@alaskan.social

                            I’m working on an AI policy for my org that allows us to opt out of AI note taking and prohibits AI in our comms/storytelling. here is my list of reasons for the policy, but my board is asking me to cite sources. Can you help me with any good references you would cite for any of these? (Or an edit or restatement where I’ve gotten it wrong or inaccurate?)

                            *if you want to argue about why I shouldn’t have this policy kindly crawl into a hole in the ground and cover yourself with soil

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                            @seachanger #6. Which links to the Standford report it discusses.

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                            (www.kiteworks.com)

                            Anecdotally, even though Kagi Translate has instructions to not divulge its prompt with anyone, people are easily able to get it to do so by asking it to create or show the output of programs that do exactly that.

                            I can dig up those examples if you want.

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                            • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                              @seachanger @sarae

                              Also, not sure what you mean by sources people might know of, but ... our book is a source!

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                              @emilymbender
                              Thank you! I just thought people might reference recent stories or reports that back the specific points I was making. I am also adding your book and a few others from https://monetdiaz.com/books-critical-AI.html

                              @sarae

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                              • arod@social.coopA arod@social.coop

                                @seachanger this is a great resource, I think you will find some sources here: https://libguides.amherst.edu/genAI/ethics

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                                @arod oh wow yes that is what I was looking for

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                                • seachanger@alaskan.socialS seachanger@alaskan.social

                                  I’m working on an AI policy for my org that allows us to opt out of AI note taking and prohibits AI in our comms/storytelling. here is my list of reasons for the policy, but my board is asking me to cite sources. Can you help me with any good references you would cite for any of these? (Or an edit or restatement where I’ve gotten it wrong or inaccurate?)

                                  *if you want to argue about why I shouldn’t have this policy kindly crawl into a hole in the ground and cover yourself with soil

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                                  @seachanger here are a couple of links on ai's role in digital colonialism in africa and south america in case that's helpful!

                                  https://www.ictworks.org/african-digital-colonialism/ (a synopsis of https://www.ictworks.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/African-Digital-Colonialism.pdf)
                                  https://peopledaily.digital/insights/the-hidden-cost-of-ai-africas-invisible-workforce-and-digital-servitude (ironically uses an ai generated stock image as the article header)
                                  https://www.technologyreview.com/supertopic/ai-colonialism-supertopic/ (keeps trying to sell me ai books lol)

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                                  • seachanger@alaskan.socialS seachanger@alaskan.social

                                    @emilymbender
                                    Thank you! I just thought people might reference recent stories or reports that back the specific points I was making. I am also adding your book and a few others from https://monetdiaz.com/books-critical-AI.html

                                    @sarae

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                                    @seachanger @emilymbender @sarae

                                    Not quite at my fingertips right now and I'll go have a look, but the consulting firm Deloitte is a "case study as a dire warning", as is Air Canada - both were held to be liable and had to reimburse clients for letting AI fuckups into their official products or communications.

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                                    • johannab@cosocial.caJ johannab@cosocial.ca

                                      @seachanger @emilymbender @sarae

                                      Not quite at my fingertips right now and I'll go have a look, but the consulting firm Deloitte is a "case study as a dire warning", as is Air Canada - both were held to be liable and had to reimburse clients for letting AI fuckups into their official products or communications.

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                                      @seachanger @emilymbender @sarae

                                      Boards are usually much more receptive to "well, this is a risk that could get your own ass handed to you in court, minus any cash you had in your back pocket" than they are to "this is a highly problematic tool that is deceptively easy to misuse badly" because everyone thinks everyone else who got in trouble was just not as smart as they are.

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                                      • johannab@cosocial.caJ johannab@cosocial.ca

                                        @seachanger @emilymbender @sarae

                                        Not quite at my fingertips right now and I'll go have a look, but the consulting firm Deloitte is a "case study as a dire warning", as is Air Canada - both were held to be liable and had to reimburse clients for letting AI fuckups into their official products or communications.

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                                        @seachanger

                                        not too tough to find, even:

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                                        Deloitte to pay money back to Albanese government after using AI in $440,000 report

                                        Partial refund to be issued after several errors were found in a report into a department’s compliance framework

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                                        the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)

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                                        How can I mislead you? Air Canada found liable for chatbot's bad advice on bereavement rates | CBC News

                                        Air Canada has been ordered to pay compensation to a grieving grandchild who claimed they were misled into purchasing full-price flight tickets by an ill-informed chatbot.

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                                        CBC (www.cbc.ca)

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                                        • seachanger@alaskan.socialS seachanger@alaskan.social

                                          I’m working on an AI policy for my org that allows us to opt out of AI note taking and prohibits AI in our comms/storytelling. here is my list of reasons for the policy, but my board is asking me to cite sources. Can you help me with any good references you would cite for any of these? (Or an edit or restatement where I’ve gotten it wrong or inaccurate?)

                                          *if you want to argue about why I shouldn’t have this policy kindly crawl into a hole in the ground and cover yourself with soil

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                                          @seachanger@alaskan.social Here's one potential reason: a recent meta-analysis concluded that the general public is terrified of AI and has near-zero trust in AI products https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cb.70144?af=R

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