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  • fesshole@mastodon.socialF fesshole@mastodon.social

    Forced to use AI at work, hate it. Usage is monitored so I can't avoid it. I've set up mine to play a Sim City clone. It burns through tokens, making crap cities that quickly go bankrupt. Just been told that I'm getting a bonus for being a top user.

    alice@mk.nyaa.placeA This user is from outside of this forum
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    @fesshole@mastodon.social yup, this is the right way of dealing with employer forcing it - as opposed to pushing slop to unsuspecting open source projects

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    • fesshole@mastodon.socialF fesshole@mastodon.social

      Forced to use AI at work, hate it. Usage is monitored so I can't avoid it. I've set up mine to play a Sim City clone. It burns through tokens, making crap cities that quickly go bankrupt. Just been told that I'm getting a bonus for being a top user.

      alexmu@social.vivaldi.netA This user is from outside of this forum
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      @fesshole that is genuinely horrific. Those tokens you burn are actual resources in the real world, like water and fossil fuels.

      dalias@hachyderm.ioD duco@norden.socialD dresstokilt@mastodon.socialD andreas_tengicki@hessen.socialA 0x00string@infosec.exchange0 5 Replies Last reply
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      • fesshole@mastodon.socialF fesshole@mastodon.social

        Forced to use AI at work, hate it. Usage is monitored so I can't avoid it. I've set up mine to play a Sim City clone. It burns through tokens, making crap cities that quickly go bankrupt. Just been told that I'm getting a bonus for being a top user.

        mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.orgM This user is from outside of this forum
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        @fesshole I can’t like this. It still burns the planet.

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        • alexmu@social.vivaldi.netA alexmu@social.vivaldi.net

          @fesshole that is genuinely horrific. Those tokens you burn are actual resources in the real world, like water and fossil fuels.

          dalias@hachyderm.ioD This user is from outside of this forum
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          @alexmu @fesshole Ignoring that the story is probably made up because there's an audit trail that'd get them fired, if they're required to use the thing in their job anyway, there is nothing unethical about meeting the requirement in a way that protects themselves from the cognitohazard and deskillling and sabotages the boss's intent. Same harm to planet either way and that's on the employer.

          funnymonkey@freeradical.zoneF weizenspreu@chaos.socialW alexmu@social.vivaldi.netA gkrnours@mastodon.gamedev.placeG 4 Replies Last reply
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          • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

            @alexmu @fesshole Ignoring that the story is probably made up because there's an audit trail that'd get them fired, if they're required to use the thing in their job anyway, there is nothing unethical about meeting the requirement in a way that protects themselves from the cognitohazard and deskillling and sabotages the boss's intent. Same harm to planet either way and that's on the employer.

            funnymonkey@freeradical.zoneF This user is from outside of this forum
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            @dalias

            This.

            It's SOOOOO easy to blame the people at the receiving end of broken systems of power and control.

            When people refuse to acknowledge that there are many situations with no good options, and a small number of less bad options, we get destructive absolutism that hurts people.

            See also: voting in the US

            @alexmu @fesshole

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            • funnymonkey@freeradical.zoneF funnymonkey@freeradical.zone

              @dalias

              This.

              It's SOOOOO easy to blame the people at the receiving end of broken systems of power and control.

              When people refuse to acknowledge that there are many situations with no good options, and a small number of less bad options, we get destructive absolutism that hurts people.

              See also: voting in the US

              @alexmu @fesshole

              dalias@hachyderm.ioD This user is from outside of this forum
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              @funnymonkey @alexmu @fesshole Thanks. This is why I replied. Even if the story is fake, the principle it prompts is worth thinking about.

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              • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                @funnymonkey @alexmu @fesshole Thanks. This is why I replied. Even if the story is fake, the principle it prompts is worth thinking about.

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                @dalias

                This is something I have thought about (and observed) a lot over the years.

                When I hear tech companies blaming privacy violations on users, and about policy pushing the obligation to address privacy and security issues onto those with the least amount of agency -- these things all feel very similar to me.

                I know FessHole is UK and EU based (/me waves -- hello, friend!) but it reminds of the toxic myth of rugged individualism we love here in the US.

                @alexmu @fesshole

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                • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                  @alexmu @fesshole Ignoring that the story is probably made up because there's an audit trail that'd get them fired, if they're required to use the thing in their job anyway, there is nothing unethical about meeting the requirement in a way that protects themselves from the cognitohazard and deskillling and sabotages the boss's intent. Same harm to planet either way and that's on the employer.

                  weizenspreu@chaos.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @dalias @alexmu @fesshole „because there‘s an audit trail that‘d get them fired“

                  What information do you base the assumption on that the employer implemented an actual audit trail (which might be illegal in Europe if it captures the conversion content due to data protection laws)?

                  Many LLM providers provide mere usage statistics because of the legal issues.

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                  • weizenspreu@chaos.socialW weizenspreu@chaos.social

                    @dalias @alexmu @fesshole „because there‘s an audit trail that‘d get them fired“

                    What information do you base the assumption on that the employer implemented an actual audit trail (which might be illegal in Europe if it captures the conversion content due to data protection laws)?

                    Many LLM providers provide mere usage statistics because of the legal issues.

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                    @weizenspreu @alexmu @fesshole The slop provider has it even without the employer doing anything. And the account belongs to the employer.

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                    • alice@mk.nyaa.placeA alice@mk.nyaa.place

                      @fesshole@mastodon.social yup, this is the right way of dealing with employer forcing it - as opposed to pushing slop to unsuspecting open source projects

                      atlovato@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @alice 👍 @fesshole

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                      • fesshole@mastodon.socialF fesshole@mastodon.social

                        Forced to use AI at work, hate it. Usage is monitored so I can't avoid it. I've set up mine to play a Sim City clone. It burns through tokens, making crap cities that quickly go bankrupt. Just been told that I'm getting a bonus for being a top user.

                        atlovato@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @fesshole - Right on, Right on.

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                        • mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.orgM mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org

                          @fesshole I can’t like this. It still burns the planet.

                          atlovato@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @mirabilos @fesshole 👍

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                          • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                            @weizenspreu @alexmu @fesshole The slop provider has it even without the employer doing anything. And the account belongs to the employer.

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                            @dalias @alexmu @fesshole So it‘s all based on assumptions communicated as facts and conclusions are drawn based on these assumptions. Understood.

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                            • fesshole@mastodon.socialF fesshole@mastodon.social

                              Forced to use AI at work, hate it. Usage is monitored so I can't avoid it. I've set up mine to play a Sim City clone. It burns through tokens, making crap cities that quickly go bankrupt. Just been told that I'm getting a bonus for being a top user.

                              saltywizard@beige.partyS This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @fesshole

                              and the award for 'best practical application of the field service sabotage manual' goes to...

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                              • funnymonkey@freeradical.zoneF funnymonkey@freeradical.zone

                                @dalias

                                This is something I have thought about (and observed) a lot over the years.

                                When I hear tech companies blaming privacy violations on users, and about policy pushing the obligation to address privacy and security issues onto those with the least amount of agency -- these things all feel very similar to me.

                                I know FessHole is UK and EU based (/me waves -- hello, friend!) but it reminds of the toxic myth of rugged individualism we love here in the US.

                                @alexmu @fesshole

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                                @funnymonkey @dalias @alexmu @fesshole I love it.

                                It does what satire should do. Punch up.

                                The trouble is now telling satire from reality.

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                                • alexmu@social.vivaldi.netA alexmu@social.vivaldi.net

                                  @fesshole that is genuinely horrific. Those tokens you burn are actual resources in the real world, like water and fossil fuels.

                                  duco@norden.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @alexmu @fesshole yes, and even if the employer really would force the usage of it there are better things to do with the tokens. But there is definitely no reason to use so many tokens that they are rewarded for being rewarded to use the most tokens, when they actually have been wasted.

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                                  • weizenspreu@chaos.socialW weizenspreu@chaos.social

                                    @dalias @alexmu @fesshole So it‘s all based on assumptions communicated as facts and conclusions are drawn based on these assumptions. Understood.

                                    dalias@hachyderm.ioD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @weizenspreu @alexmu @fesshole A casual remark about why a story is likely fake does not call for a detailed explanation of intricacies, especially when this kind of software is dropping logs both intentionally and unintentionally all over the place and there is absolutely significant risk of getting caught.

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                                    • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                                      @weizenspreu @alexmu @fesshole A casual remark about why a story is likely fake does not call for a detailed explanation of intricacies, especially when this kind of software is dropping logs both intentionally and unintentionally all over the place and there is absolutely significant risk of getting caught.

                                      weizenspreu@chaos.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @dalias @alexmu @fesshole Calling it „probably made up“ because of your personal risk assessment strikes me as weird nevertheless.

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                                      • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                                        @alexmu @fesshole Ignoring that the story is probably made up because there's an audit trail that'd get them fired, if they're required to use the thing in their job anyway, there is nothing unethical about meeting the requirement in a way that protects themselves from the cognitohazard and deskillling and sabotages the boss's intent. Same harm to planet either way and that's on the employer.

                                        alexmu@social.vivaldi.netA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @dalias @fesshole that's a myopic way to look at it. Most likely the employer doesn't care enough about you to want to deskill you by exposing you to "cognitoharazds". They're following hype and/or they're misguided. I'd be tempted to say they don't even have a strategy around the use of llms, but that's just speculation. So you're not really sabotaging the company by burning tokens. What you're doing is moral posturing that makes you feel better about yourself because you're the main character in your story and you're sticking it to the man. But that's a pointless exercise that only ends up sabotaging the cause you're supposedly fighting for (taking down capitalism, llm hype, late stage capitalism death cult). By silently complying, and using the tokens you're just bolstering their policy.

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                                        • fesshole@mastodon.socialF fesshole@mastodon.social

                                          Forced to use AI at work, hate it. Usage is monitored so I can't avoid it. I've set up mine to play a Sim City clone. It burns through tokens, making crap cities that quickly go bankrupt. Just been told that I'm getting a bonus for being a top user.

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                                          @fesshole

                                          Raises the question. Is there any good way to use AI? Is there a way to invert it and turn it on itself, to use AI to destroy AI, to sabotage any ill it is designed to inflict, to undo or replace its propaganda effect, to use it to release the Epstein files?

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