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@tuckerm @guyjantic @rl_dane @madeindex oh it's an alternative to Lemmy? Does that mean it's based on mbin instead of (whether Lemmy is)?
I need to know this stuff as I'm trying to explain fediverse apps to people in a Signal 'privacy' chat and I want to make it as simple as possible.
@patrickleavy@mastodon.social @madeindex@mastodon.social @rl_dane@polymaths.social @tuckerm@saltylike.us @guyjantic@infosec.exchange
The following is from the top of my head while sporting a fever, accuracy not guaranteed.
PieFed is a python script and separate from both kbin/mbin and lemmy. They all operate with "groups" instead of individual fedi actors like on Masto and the likes. Some call it "reddit style", I prefer Social Media Aggregator.
It's possible to subscribe to any group actor (like PeerTube or across Lemmy/PieFed) through pie/mbin/kbin/lemmy but hard to follow individual actors from i.e. Mastodon from Pie and Lemmy. I've not tested k/mbin (one of them is abandoned, the other actively maintained).
The "tankies" have taken on the Mali TLD (.ml) to symbolize Marxism-Leninism. Lemmygrad.ml being a notable example. Like with Masto, there's different instances dedicated to topics, geography or general topics.
Lemmy cache (or at least did) all content unless the admin blocks the local storage. This fills up most small-scale, self-hosted instances as it's a chore to set up external storage compared to the ease of installation through i.e. YunoHost, ansible or Easy Deploy.
The first time I hosted Lemmy I firehosed the lemmyverse and my server pushed 500GB of storage within a few weeks. Second time I was selective but the storage requirement became unsustainable after 6 months.
I currently have a low-activity PieFed instance, it has hardly increased in size over the last month. For self-hosting I would absolutely recommend PieFed over lemmy. All Lemmy apps I've tried have also worked flawless with PieFed.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk. -
@patrickleavy@mastodon.social @madeindex@mastodon.social @rl_dane@polymaths.social @tuckerm@saltylike.us @guyjantic@infosec.exchange
The following is from the top of my head while sporting a fever, accuracy not guaranteed.
PieFed is a python script and separate from both kbin/mbin and lemmy. They all operate with "groups" instead of individual fedi actors like on Masto and the likes. Some call it "reddit style", I prefer Social Media Aggregator.
It's possible to subscribe to any group actor (like PeerTube or across Lemmy/PieFed) through pie/mbin/kbin/lemmy but hard to follow individual actors from i.e. Mastodon from Pie and Lemmy. I've not tested k/mbin (one of them is abandoned, the other actively maintained).
The "tankies" have taken on the Mali TLD (.ml) to symbolize Marxism-Leninism. Lemmygrad.ml being a notable example. Like with Masto, there's different instances dedicated to topics, geography or general topics.
Lemmy cache (or at least did) all content unless the admin blocks the local storage. This fills up most small-scale, self-hosted instances as it's a chore to set up external storage compared to the ease of installation through i.e. YunoHost, ansible or Easy Deploy.
The first time I hosted Lemmy I firehosed the lemmyverse and my server pushed 500GB of storage within a few weeks. Second time I was selective but the storage requirement became unsustainable after 6 months.
I currently have a low-activity PieFed instance, it has hardly increased in size over the last month. For self-hosting I would absolutely recommend PieFed over lemmy. All Lemmy apps I've tried have also worked flawless with PieFed.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.@sarah @madeindex @rl_dane @tuckerm @guyjantic good info!
This is a bit off topic, but do you reckon it would be possible to fork & adapt Piefed to make a 'Groups' software? Something federated that could provide the functionality of Facebook groups...
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@sarah @madeindex @rl_dane @tuckerm @guyjantic good info!
This is a bit off topic, but do you reckon it would be possible to fork & adapt Piefed to make a 'Groups' software? Something federated that could provide the functionality of Facebook groups...
@patrickleavy@mastodon.social
No idea as I've never seen a FB group. 
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@sarah @madeindex @rl_dane @tuckerm @guyjantic good info!
This is a bit off topic, but do you reckon it would be possible to fork & adapt Piefed to make a 'Groups' software? Something federated that could provide the functionality of Facebook groups...
@guyjantic @madeindex @tuckerm @rl_dane @patrickleavy @sarah I thought Friendica already has group functionality? (what it lacks is a jazzy ui). Mobilizon had nice UI and I was able to get my Friendica to join a Mobilizon group and vice versa, but the Mobilizon instance I was on wasn't configured well enough so it was slow/buggy (and I dont self host yet so I wasnt able to investigate further).
Post Script: I am posting from Friendica right now actually, as I understand it Mastodon users dont always see which Fedi tech is being posted from so wanted to mention that for context.
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@guyjantic @madeindex @tuckerm @rl_dane @patrickleavy @sarah I thought Friendica already has group functionality? (what it lacks is a jazzy ui). Mobilizon had nice UI and I was able to get my Friendica to join a Mobilizon group and vice versa, but the Mobilizon instance I was on wasn't configured well enough so it was slow/buggy (and I dont self host yet so I wasnt able to investigate further).
Post Script: I am posting from Friendica right now actually, as I understand it Mastodon users dont always see which Fedi tech is being posted from so wanted to mention that for context.
@growfediverse@dillyofapickle.com @tuckerm@saltylike.us
Yes. I'm not a big fan of the implementation as it's/was streaming style instead of forum style and acts more like a relay that boosts posts chronologically to followers last I tried it. -
@patrickleavy@mastodon.social @madeindex@mastodon.social @rl_dane@polymaths.social @tuckerm@saltylike.us @guyjantic@infosec.exchange
The following is from the top of my head while sporting a fever, accuracy not guaranteed.
PieFed is a python script and separate from both kbin/mbin and lemmy. They all operate with "groups" instead of individual fedi actors like on Masto and the likes. Some call it "reddit style", I prefer Social Media Aggregator.
It's possible to subscribe to any group actor (like PeerTube or across Lemmy/PieFed) through pie/mbin/kbin/lemmy but hard to follow individual actors from i.e. Mastodon from Pie and Lemmy. I've not tested k/mbin (one of them is abandoned, the other actively maintained).
The "tankies" have taken on the Mali TLD (.ml) to symbolize Marxism-Leninism. Lemmygrad.ml being a notable example. Like with Masto, there's different instances dedicated to topics, geography or general topics.
Lemmy cache (or at least did) all content unless the admin blocks the local storage. This fills up most small-scale, self-hosted instances as it's a chore to set up external storage compared to the ease of installation through i.e. YunoHost, ansible or Easy Deploy.
The first time I hosted Lemmy I firehosed the lemmyverse and my server pushed 500GB of storage within a few weeks. Second time I was selective but the storage requirement became unsustainable after 6 months.
I currently have a low-activity PieFed instance, it has hardly increased in size over the last month. For self-hosting I would absolutely recommend PieFed over lemmy. All Lemmy apps I've tried have also worked flawless with PieFed.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.@guyjantic @madeindex @tuckerm @rl_dane @patrickleavy @sarah Oh snap this is interesting! First time I've seen this ... Sarah your post comes through for me as being a Friendica originating account but is that correct or is that a mislabel on Friendica's part? -
@guyjantic @madeindex @tuckerm @rl_dane @patrickleavy @sarah Oh snap this is interesting! First time I've seen this ... Sarah your post comes through for me as being a Friendica originating account but is that correct or is that a mislabel on Friendica's part?
@growfediverse@dillyofapickle.com
Posted from Sharkey on a dedicated domain. But I've used the domain for testing Friendica previously so the info is probably cached on your instance. -
@guyjantic @madeindex @tuckerm @rl_dane @patrickleavy @sarah I thought Friendica already has group functionality? (what it lacks is a jazzy ui). Mobilizon had nice UI and I was able to get my Friendica to join a Mobilizon group and vice versa, but the Mobilizon instance I was on wasn't configured well enough so it was slow/buggy (and I dont self host yet so I wasnt able to investigate further).
Post Script: I am posting from Friendica right now actually, as I understand it Mastodon users dont always see which Fedi tech is being posted from so wanted to mention that for context.
@growfediverse @guyjantic @madeindex @tuckerm @rl_dane @sarah yeah we looked at Mobilizon - that's pretty close.
We ( https://www.rebeltechalliance.org/ ) would like to make the 'FB Groups app of the Fediverse' but with E2EE. Not on the 'outward facing part' (federated bit where you post news) but on the internals of the group - so the instance host cannot read the data.
It would be great for bands, sports clubs, resident groups and activists.
But it's a mega technical challenge!
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@growfediverse @guyjantic @madeindex @tuckerm @rl_dane @sarah yeah we looked at Mobilizon - that's pretty close.
We ( https://www.rebeltechalliance.org/ ) would like to make the 'FB Groups app of the Fediverse' but with E2EE. Not on the 'outward facing part' (federated bit where you post news) but on the internals of the group - so the instance host cannot read the data.
It would be great for bands, sports clubs, resident groups and activists.
But it's a mega technical challenge!
@patrickleavy@mastodon.social
Perhaps CryptPad and their way of providing E2EE with zero knowledge for the host could give some inspiration? Good luck! -
@madeindex
I note piefed are sponsored by an AI company called "ngrok", which suggests they have links to the bad site?
@guyjantic @patrickleavy @rl_dane @soaproot -
@madeindex @guyjantic @rl_dane @soaproot ideally i'd find a server that's focus is digital privacy and anti-bigtech. But that's pretty niche.
@patrickleavy @madeindex @rl_dane @soaproot if infosec.pub is anything like infosec.exchange, it probably has a heavy focus on those things.
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@tuckerm @sarah @madeindex @rl_dane @guyjantic oh wow, that is an interesting project! Great to see action in the fediverse on Groups!
No mention of encryption - I wonder if they were spooked by the Samurai Walllet case?
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@tuckerm @sarah @madeindex @rl_dane @guyjantic in curious about Piefed - without logging in it looks like the sharing options are limited compared to Lemmy.
Here is the same post, seen in Piefed and in Lemmy. Piefed doesn't seem to have the "link to this post" option. Does that appear if I've created an account and logged in?
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Real question:Sometimes I read negative comments about #Lemmy or even calls to defederate...
Why do some people on the #Fediverse feel so strongly about Lemmy?
Isn't an #opensource alternative to #Reddit a good thing?
@madeindex Every bit of support from you, whether sharing or donating, lights the way for my children in these difficult times.
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