People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
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Obviously a system based on having an endless stream of disposable workers.
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I'm struggling to even getting myself into the headspace where two people working a truck is upsetting to me.
Maybe this person works for UPS or some delivery company where drivers work alone and it is often *very dangerous*. (but just workable I guess? They still block traffic all the time) and they want everyone to suffer?
How do you look at a $7,000,000 patriot missile and get mad about more people being employed in the very honorable and *life-saving* work of collecting garbage?
@futurebird Do you remember the NYC garbage strike? To this day it blows my mind that “nobody” learned any lessons from that very powerful action.
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It's absolutely depressing.
Perhaps they are projecting? The want to take advantage of others, so they see others taking advantage of them all the time? Pehaps reinforced by their own unhappyness in life? Like they think they would be "deserving" of more status, but "they" are keeping them down?
And it's doubly frustrating by how stupid it is. A driver and a collector is the bare minimum to be efficient. Anybody who has seen the speed at wich they work should know this.
@billiglarper @futurebird
We have single operators most trucks here, city trucks. And the guys (it’s always guys) are rushed and are often seen driving away and dropping bins while moving fast -
I guess they maybe thought there was a broadway show in there or something. LMAO.
(but, in a way, there is a broadway show in the sidewalk crack. Ant drama is high drama.)
@futurebird @Karen5Lund @Nerts
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How have so many people been trained to think like they are private equity managers who just want to cut every job, anything that makes middle class people exist?
And this comment had a bunch of likes ... none of the people getting mad about this really are private equity managers. They won't get rich. But the sight of people with "cushy" (livable, decent) jobs just makes them mad?
It's so depressing.
@futurebird Carl Icahn and Milton Friedman. It used to be that business management, for all its faults, was about stewardship of the institution rather than pleasing the most sociopathic of its short-term shareholders. Those two psychos very quickly created a meme (in the original sociological context) that infected a generation of people who were out to maximize their own pleasure. It changed the culture as a whole.
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@dartigen @futurebird @ehproque
Now that you mention it our guys probably ride inside the trucks now, too. I mostly see them walking behind the truck through the neighborhood. It's been years since I remember seeing someone on the back of a garbage truck on a major street. -
We love making things worse in America. Like having one person trying to run an entire pharmacy. (here our "chemists" don't just fill prescriptions but there is a whole connivence store too kind of like Boots in there too. They want to just have one person do this whole thing.)
What chain is that so I can avoid it.
Not that CVS here has much if any competition other than the lil pharmacies in Safeway Stores.
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People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.
I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.
Over here we call that "bicycleing".
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People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.
I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.
@futurebird You need 3.
Drive + two bin collector / emptiers.
Safe and efficient. There are at least two big wheelie bins (general refuse and recycling) and a small bin of food waste / compostable (tissue paper allowed). Some areas have more kinds of big binsPrivatisation crazy with 3 operators at different days, but only fortnightly collection instead of weekly. Needs to be back to councils.
Glass to bottle banks in car parks.
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@baishen @futurebird I mean, did anybody pay attention to who were the critical workers six years ago? I believe that, contrary to what it may seem, yes, most people did, and that broke the brains of techbros and plutocrats, because their fucking charade about how they deserve to be overpaid fucks was there for everybody to see.
@Illuminatus @baishen @futurebird
I tend to think this problem with plutocrat outlook (techbros in particular) significantly predates the pandemic.Any time the common folk aren't praising their brilliant business choices, these would-be oligarchs get pissy. So they dream of creating a future, either where they control a fief of loyal subjects who share their vision, or where they own everything and all work is automated (no need for ungreatful humans).
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People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.
I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.
@futurebird it would be a terrible tragedy if a person who thinks 2 people are too many to operate a garbage truck was run over by a reversing garbage truck.
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People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.
I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.
@futurebird The moment garbage wasn't collected, there would be a surcease of such speech, though certainly, another kind would commence.
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@futurebird Do you remember the NYC garbage strike? To this day it blows my mind that “nobody” learned any lessons from that very powerful action.
@Moss @futurebird Oscar the Grouch remembers.
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At some point I really wonder... if it's so "easy" to do those jobs or get "extra" benefits or be poor...
My brother in christ, then, why oh why don't you just go and *live* that life? Go on! Take the advantages. I will not judge you for it. I want you to succeed. Have at it. What is stopping you?
@futurebird @doctormo
People really do connect job worth and difficulty to social class, huh? Manual labor must be "easy" because it's physical. I've worked jobs where you can get into a kind of meditative state because it's repetitive but even those require a lot of thought and understanding about the system you're working in. It's not very obvious but it's there. Garbage collection isn't even one of those, though, I'd expect. Being aware of your surroundings constantly is important. -
@futurebird @doctormo
People really do connect job worth and difficulty to social class, huh? Manual labor must be "easy" because it's physical. I've worked jobs where you can get into a kind of meditative state because it's repetitive but even those require a lot of thought and understanding about the system you're working in. It's not very obvious but it's there. Garbage collection isn't even one of those, though, I'd expect. Being aware of your surroundings constantly is important.@futurebird @doctormo
Getting the pastries out on time and in good shape or organizing the day's baking at a coffee shop took more mental energy than any office job I've had. -
People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.
I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.
@futurebird Always thought that was a direct relation to everyone being temporarily embarrassed millionaires and siding with their betters because they live the life they wish they had. You can forgive a lot with status and rich people have a lot of status, mainly unearned.
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@futurebird of you replaced the two guys with one robot (pay 4 times their combined salary to Elon Musk*) it would suddenly be ok because we've been trained to consider that paying people is waste unless they're billionaires.
*Lol, like his robots are ever going to be skilled enough
@ehproque @futurebird Proud of my younger brother who works in sanitation (in the old country).
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Our bins don't really have any designated place to go. They are put on the street or sidewalk which is horrible. The city is trying to change this by making some parking spots into pick up areas but it means that we needed a truck that could lift a dumpster from the side.
These existed for single bins, but not full dumpsters. So we have our own new trucks now and they are very cool.
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That’s a beefy version of the side loading system used for residential suburban wheelie bins here in Edmonton. Ours are operated by a single worker from a right hand drive station. No designated spaces but just need 1m clearance.
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I’ve been wondering for a little while if motorised wheely bins could be a real thing. Once a week, a truck blocks the road and slowly empties them all. But what if each one had motorised wheels, a battery, and a little bit of electronics, so once a week at, say 2am, they could all take drive themselves to a centralised collecting area. The batteries could be swapped out if needed and recharged, and then they’d be sent home.
It doesn’t matter if it takes them an hour or so to get there and in smallish convoys they’d be easy to spot and overtake. If they go at a bit over walking speed, they’re no danger to people crossing the road, and at 2am they don’t need to avoid too much traffic. If you don’t want people to have to empty them overnight, just send out a clean replacement rather than sending it back: people don’t need to have the same bin every week and it’s fine to send the ones from Monday’ collection area back to Tuesday’s area the next night after they’ve been emptied, charged, and cleaned.
Probably wouldn’t work somewhere as dense as NYC, since they’d need to be able to reach the road, but might even work there if you let them out in the evening and they trundle away as soon as traffic density drops low enough.
@billiglarper @david_chisnall @futurebird
That’s an amusing image … but there are *so* many ways for things to go wrong in that system. Often the best - ie more robust, resilient, and cheapest - systems involve simple components and people paid reasonably not just to do the work but have brains, adaptability, and problem solving skills.
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People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.
I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.
@futurebird we have 3 people on bin lorries, where one person drives it, the other two grabs the bins from both sides of the roads. Making it faster and prevents traffic build up. They're the most hard working men I've seen! They're there whether it's raining, snowing or scorching hot!
