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Please excuse me while I'm having a little existential crisis, lol.

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  • tachi@kudzu.caT tachi@kudzu.ca

    @nina_kali_nina It does feel like things have slowly been... eroding? More and more of my peers are considering AI usage now. A major client seems to be all aboard the AI train and my company has been experimenting with it too. Not to mention other decisions being made lately in reaction to terrible laws that devs seem to just be giving into. I feel like I'm going to end up in a decision hell like we already are with phones. Not much I feel I can personally do either.

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    @tachi please don't give up ^_^

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    • moses_izumi@fe.disroot.orgM moses_izumi@fe.disroot.org
      @lumi @nina_kali_nina
      May this be a time where the least UNIX-minded tech pundits you've ever seen rapidly pivot toward NetBSD, just for being the first OS to refuse slopmachine code.

      (I first heard of their policy through Gamers Nexus)
      (I'm just some yokel who likes KDE)
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      @moses_izumi @lumi @nina_kali_nina Yeah although given the level of LLM-contamination across architectural foss projects part of me is also like "Wow, Plan9 and other fully-independent self-hosted systems are looking a lot more interesting now".
      (Like makes me wonder how independent Genode is as well)
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      • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

        Please excuse me while I'm having a little existential crisis, lol.

        And if that wasn't bad enough, Mozilla has embraced AI (in its code, too), while Linux considers relaxing AI code policy and has some examples of patches co-authored by LLMs.

        I am still yet to think hard about what I want to do about it. But the world I knew is no more.

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        @nina_kali_nina The techbros have spent years adding layers of janky pointless crap to everything because it makes them feel clever, and now they have an automated cruft-generator to do more of it faster than ever. Maybe it's time to try OpenBSD, they haven't even changed their website layout this century which seems like a good sign

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        • lumi@snug.moeL lumi@snug.moe

          @tragivictoria @nina_kali_nina not enough outrage

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          @lumi @nina_kali_nina @tragivictoria we're gonna have to get so much louder and more annoying about this

          people who i followed on twitch cause i thought they were cool are now slop sludging *jam games*

          i genuinely think bullying sloperators is morally correct. their excuses are always such slop too, they're liars cause they'll never admit they just wanna do the bad thing and don't have a singular fuck to give about the world around them

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          • lumi@snug.moeL lumi@snug.moe

            @nina_kali_nina it's ridiculous how slop machines are spreading into everything. we really need a unified resistance against it, not just with programmers, but also with artists, writers, translators, etc

            usage of genai should be shamed

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            @lumi @nina_kali_nina yes. It'd sad. But we stay strong together 💪 #noai

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            • kirtai@tech.lgbtK kirtai@tech.lgbt

              @nina_kali_nina
              Wait a second. Isn't the output of GenAI supposed to be public domain?

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              @kirtai @nina_kali_nina the US supreme court ruled again recently that LLM output is NOT copyrightable.

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              • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

                Please excuse me while I'm having a little existential crisis, lol.

                And if that wasn't bad enough, Mozilla has embraced AI (in its code, too), while Linux considers relaxing AI code policy and has some examples of patches co-authored by LLMs.

                I am still yet to think hard about what I want to do about it. But the world I knew is no more.

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                @nina_kali_nina ... WTF do we do?

                Stay alive until the subsidies run out and it's too expensive to lean on the de-skilling machines any longer?

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                • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

                  @kirtai well, maybe, but I'm afraid the courts in the US are going to be on the side of "big tech" if it ever goes to the court again. And even if it is accepted to be public domain, it isn't much better conceptually: the FOSS movement will be mostly destroyed by slop; if a slop machine can strip away the copyright, the copyright is unenforceable

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                  @nina_kali_nina @kirtai https://www.techspot.com/news/111553-us-supreme-court-not-interested-enforcing-copyright-ai.html it was for pics, but code is similar.

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                  • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

                    This is prompted by the news of python's chardet being completely "rewritten" by GenAI to replace its original LGPL with MIT, by the way. It's free for all now, it seems.

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                    @nina_kali_nina
                    > It's free for all now, it seems.

                    It feels encumbered, just in a different, possibly much worse way.

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                    • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

                      Please excuse me while I'm having a little existential crisis, lol.

                      And if that wasn't bad enough, Mozilla has embraced AI (in its code, too), while Linux considers relaxing AI code policy and has some examples of patches co-authored by LLMs.

                      I am still yet to think hard about what I want to do about it. But the world I knew is no more.

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                      @nina_kali_nina I’m considering giving up on programming altogether tbh. Why bother making more training data for these assholes?

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                      • lumi@snug.moeL lumi@snug.moe

                        @tragivictoria @nina_kali_nina it's going to be more effective to celebrate projects standing against it than making lists of slopware, imo

                        support projects that have a moral compass

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                        @lumi@snug.moe @nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt @tragivictoria@mastodon.catgirl.cloud yes this.

                        celebrate projects that take good stands.

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                        • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

                          Please excuse me while I'm having a little existential crisis, lol.

                          And if that wasn't bad enough, Mozilla has embraced AI (in its code, too), while Linux considers relaxing AI code policy and has some examples of patches co-authored by LLMs.

                          I am still yet to think hard about what I want to do about it. But the world I knew is no more.

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                          @nina_kali_nina i used to find it sad. Then got bit angry. But now i just laugh. I laugh at the foolishness, the utter carelessnes.

                          Because thats all I can do without snapping completely. Well, i have already snapped. But you know.

                          I will continue to move slow and fix things. Let the hypefools ruin their codebases I guess.

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                          • njsg@mementomori.socialN njsg@mementomori.social

                            @nina_kali_nina I can't wait for MAFIAA to join forces with these GenAI providers to make it so that copyright legislation is bent enough to allow this kind of usage, but only if it involves a registered GenAI big-player or the like.

                            *sigh* I'd say I may be getting too cynical except that in this case I'm quite sure this is how it will unfold, at least in the short term...

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                            @njsg@mementomori.social @nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

                            They've already telegraphed how they plan to do this: they want AI to be legal just as long as they have permission from the copyright-holder of the "training data." Then, the big publishers will make "we get to train our AI on your work" a part of their standard contract for writers, and the big tech companies will put "we get to train our AI on all your data" in their ToS agreements. Also, you'll be required to use one of the big tech companies' operating systems, since "identity verification" will ban other OSes.

                            Bam: LLMs are now legal, but only for big publishers or big tech companies.

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                            • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

                              Please excuse me while I'm having a little existential crisis, lol.

                              And if that wasn't bad enough, Mozilla has embraced AI (in its code, too), while Linux considers relaxing AI code policy and has some examples of patches co-authored by LLMs.

                              I am still yet to think hard about what I want to do about it. But the world I knew is no more.

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                              @nina_kali_nina I'd never want the world I knew to stay static. Change is inevitable. I don't think it's ever worth mourning the past for the past's sake.

                              But, you say existential crisis, is your problem because it is good or because it's bad?

                              I assume the latter (I still can't get AI to complete simple tasks correctly the majority of the time).

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                              • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

                                Please excuse me while I'm having a little existential crisis, lol.

                                And if that wasn't bad enough, Mozilla has embraced AI (in its code, too), while Linux considers relaxing AI code policy and has some examples of patches co-authored by LLMs.

                                I am still yet to think hard about what I want to do about it. But the world I knew is no more.

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                                @nina_kali_nina i don't know about these projects in particular, but not all llm use is automatically bad

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                                • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

                                  Please excuse me while I'm having a little existential crisis, lol.

                                  And if that wasn't bad enough, Mozilla has embraced AI (in its code, too), while Linux considers relaxing AI code policy and has some examples of patches co-authored by LLMs.

                                  I am still yet to think hard about what I want to do about it. But the world I knew is no more.

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                                  @nina_kali_nina
                                  SBOMs need a field for "contains slop" separate from "licenses"

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                                  • nobody@mastodon.acm.orgN nobody@mastodon.acm.org

                                    @nina_kali_nina
                                    SBOMs need a field for "contains slop" separate from "licenses"

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                                    @nina_kali_nina
                                    Somebody with a white person passport start an EU Citizen Initiative to amend #CRA

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                                    • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

                                      Please excuse me while I'm having a little existential crisis, lol.

                                      And if that wasn't bad enough, Mozilla has embraced AI (in its code, too), while Linux considers relaxing AI code policy and has some examples of patches co-authored by LLMs.

                                      I am still yet to think hard about what I want to do about it. But the world I knew is no more.

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                                      @nina_kali_nina not sure if this helps or makes it worse but im not actually sure the blocked user trick is reliable. On some projects I got this warning and spent a few hours looking through commits without finding anything. And I did notice that it counts things as involving copilot even if it didn't do anything real. Like someone not a maintainer had opend a pull request and unintentionally(according to them) asked for a copilot Review. Which doesn't affect the project but Shows up in filters

                                      So I don't know if I can actually trust this to find what's Ai touched and what isnt

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                                      • lunathemoongirl@cailincat.cloudL lunathemoongirl@cailincat.cloud

                                        @nina_kali_nina not sure if this helps or makes it worse but im not actually sure the blocked user trick is reliable. On some projects I got this warning and spent a few hours looking through commits without finding anything. And I did notice that it counts things as involving copilot even if it didn't do anything real. Like someone not a maintainer had opend a pull request and unintentionally(according to them) asked for a copilot Review. Which doesn't affect the project but Shows up in filters

                                        So I don't know if I can actually trust this to find what's Ai touched and what isnt

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                                        @nina_kali_nina not to get conspiratorial but I guess companies like Microsoft also have an incentive to make you think everything is made by Ai and to not be able to tell.

                                        The claude user profile itself also has no commits but shows up as author in like chardet. So idk it does seem to have wonky special rules. And maybe it gets into projects through being associated with the commits in some pull request and the maintainers couldnt tell?

                                        I mean harfbuzz and chardet are very clear but others.

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                                        • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

                                          @moses_izumi @lumi nod nod, I've tried *BSD recently after a long pause, maybe I should double down on it, too

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                                          @nina_kali_nina @moses_izumi @lumi There's FreeBSD too it seems
                                          https://www.heise.de/en/news/FreeBSD-policy-AI-generated-source-code-No-thanks-10634141.html

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