Please excuse me while I'm having a little existential crisis, lol.
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@kirtai well, maybe, but I'm afraid the courts in the US are going to be on the side of "big tech" if it ever goes to the court again. And even if it is accepted to be public domain, it isn't much better conceptually: the FOSS movement will be mostly destroyed by slop; if a slop machine can strip away the copyright, the copyright is unenforceable
@nina_kali_nina @kirtai https://www.techspot.com/news/111553-us-supreme-court-not-interested-enforcing-copyright-ai.html it was for pics, but code is similar.
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This is prompted by the news of python's chardet being completely "rewritten" by GenAI to replace its original LGPL with MIT, by the way. It's free for all now, it seems.
@nina_kali_nina
> It's free for all now, it seems.It feels encumbered, just in a different, possibly much worse way.
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Please excuse me while I'm having a little existential crisis, lol.
And if that wasn't bad enough, Mozilla has embraced AI (in its code, too), while Linux considers relaxing AI code policy and has some examples of patches co-authored by LLMs.
I am still yet to think hard about what I want to do about it. But the world I knew is no more.
@nina_kali_nina I’m considering giving up on programming altogether tbh. Why bother making more training data for these assholes?
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@tragivictoria @nina_kali_nina it's going to be more effective to celebrate projects standing against it than making lists of slopware, imo
support projects that have a moral compass@lumi@snug.moe @nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt @tragivictoria@mastodon.catgirl.cloud yes this.
celebrate projects that take good stands.
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Please excuse me while I'm having a little existential crisis, lol.
And if that wasn't bad enough, Mozilla has embraced AI (in its code, too), while Linux considers relaxing AI code policy and has some examples of patches co-authored by LLMs.
I am still yet to think hard about what I want to do about it. But the world I knew is no more.
@nina_kali_nina i used to find it sad. Then got bit angry. But now i just laugh. I laugh at the foolishness, the utter carelessnes.
Because thats all I can do without snapping completely. Well, i have already snapped. But you know.
I will continue to move slow and fix things. Let the hypefools ruin their codebases I guess.
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@nina_kali_nina I can't wait for MAFIAA to join forces with these GenAI providers to make it so that copyright legislation is bent enough to allow this kind of usage, but only if it involves a registered GenAI big-player or the like.
*sigh* I'd say I may be getting too cynical except that in this case I'm quite sure this is how it will unfold, at least in the short term...
@njsg@mementomori.social @nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt
They've already telegraphed how they plan to do this: they want AI to be legal just as long as they have permission from the copyright-holder of the "training data." Then, the big publishers will make "we get to train our AI on your work" a part of their standard contract for writers, and the big tech companies will put "we get to train our AI on all your data" in their ToS agreements. Also, you'll be required to use one of the big tech companies' operating systems, since "identity verification" will ban other OSes.
Bam: LLMs are now legal, but only for big publishers or big tech companies. -
Please excuse me while I'm having a little existential crisis, lol.
And if that wasn't bad enough, Mozilla has embraced AI (in its code, too), while Linux considers relaxing AI code policy and has some examples of patches co-authored by LLMs.
I am still yet to think hard about what I want to do about it. But the world I knew is no more.
@nina_kali_nina I'd never want the world I knew to stay static. Change is inevitable. I don't think it's ever worth mourning the past for the past's sake.
But, you say existential crisis, is your problem because it is good or because it's bad?
I assume the latter (I still can't get AI to complete simple tasks correctly the majority of the time).
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Please excuse me while I'm having a little existential crisis, lol.
And if that wasn't bad enough, Mozilla has embraced AI (in its code, too), while Linux considers relaxing AI code policy and has some examples of patches co-authored by LLMs.
I am still yet to think hard about what I want to do about it. But the world I knew is no more.
@nina_kali_nina i don't know about these projects in particular, but not all llm use is automatically bad
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Please excuse me while I'm having a little existential crisis, lol.
And if that wasn't bad enough, Mozilla has embraced AI (in its code, too), while Linux considers relaxing AI code policy and has some examples of patches co-authored by LLMs.
I am still yet to think hard about what I want to do about it. But the world I knew is no more.
@nina_kali_nina
SBOMs need a field for "contains slop" separate from "licenses" -
@nina_kali_nina
SBOMs need a field for "contains slop" separate from "licenses"@nina_kali_nina
Somebody with a white person passport start an EU Citizen Initiative to amend #CRA -
Please excuse me while I'm having a little existential crisis, lol.
And if that wasn't bad enough, Mozilla has embraced AI (in its code, too), while Linux considers relaxing AI code policy and has some examples of patches co-authored by LLMs.
I am still yet to think hard about what I want to do about it. But the world I knew is no more.
@nina_kali_nina not sure if this helps or makes it worse but im not actually sure the blocked user trick is reliable. On some projects I got this warning and spent a few hours looking through commits without finding anything. And I did notice that it counts things as involving copilot even if it didn't do anything real. Like someone not a maintainer had opend a pull request and unintentionally(according to them) asked for a copilot Review. Which doesn't affect the project but Shows up in filters
So I don't know if I can actually trust this to find what's Ai touched and what isnt
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@nina_kali_nina not sure if this helps or makes it worse but im not actually sure the blocked user trick is reliable. On some projects I got this warning and spent a few hours looking through commits without finding anything. And I did notice that it counts things as involving copilot even if it didn't do anything real. Like someone not a maintainer had opend a pull request and unintentionally(according to them) asked for a copilot Review. Which doesn't affect the project but Shows up in filters
So I don't know if I can actually trust this to find what's Ai touched and what isnt
@nina_kali_nina not to get conspiratorial but I guess companies like Microsoft also have an incentive to make you think everything is made by Ai and to not be able to tell.
The claude user profile itself also has no commits but shows up as author in like chardet. So idk it does seem to have wonky special rules. And maybe it gets into projects through being associated with the commits in some pull request and the maintainers couldnt tell?
I mean harfbuzz and chardet are very clear but others.
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@moses_izumi @lumi nod nod, I've tried *BSD recently after a long pause, maybe I should double down on it, too
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Please excuse me while I'm having a little existential crisis, lol.
And if that wasn't bad enough, Mozilla has embraced AI (in its code, too), while Linux considers relaxing AI code policy and has some examples of patches co-authored by LLMs.
I am still yet to think hard about what I want to do about it. But the world I knew is no more.
@nina_kali_nina I hear you. But consider this: like any other profession that creates thing, you can divide it into industrial and artisanal. You can produce stuff, or craft stuff. For software, this has just become more real, more relevant and more visible. You and some other gifted ones will remain artisans, crafting beautiful things. Software giants will spit out crappier software.
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Please excuse me while I'm having a little existential crisis, lol.
And if that wasn't bad enough, Mozilla has embraced AI (in its code, too), while Linux considers relaxing AI code policy and has some examples of patches co-authored by LLMs.
I am still yet to think hard about what I want to do about it. But the world I knew is no more.
@nina_kali_nina I really, really hope there will be some push to have “AI free” software and hardware recognized. Much like we have ogm free for food. So you can know and choose accordingly.
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@zbrown tbh maybe it's not a bad idea, but then maybe it makes more sense to focus on OSes that are explicitly anti-LLM, like NetBSD...
@nina_kali_nina @zbrown NetBSD was my first *nix¹, maybe I should have a look at it again
¹the first one I ran on my own hardware. My first experience was with HP-UX at a year in industry placement in the late '90s
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@lispi314 I kind of seriously doubt that
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@lumi @nina_kali_nina @tragivictoria we're gonna have to get so much louder and more annoying about this
people who i followed on twitch cause i thought they were cool are now slop sludging *jam games*
i genuinely think bullying sloperators is morally correct. their excuses are always such slop too, they're liars cause they'll never admit they just wanna do the bad thing and don't have a singular fuck to give about the world around them
@outfrost @lumi @tragivictoria maybe "bullying" isn't right but boycotting definitely is
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@nina_kali_nina ... WTF do we do?
Stay alive until the subsidies run out and it's too expensive to lean on the de-skilling machines any longer?
@bstacey and boycott the slop sources as much as it's feasible personally in the meantime, yeah. And celebrating human projects
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@nina_kali_nina I’m considering giving up on programming altogether tbh. Why bother making more training data for these assholes?
@cinebox I think about it too, but I'd stay for humans who need the software
