tell me you’re a coward without telling me
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@Athena oh, believe me, I'm already mad enough at him for his bullshit
I was mad at jyn earlier for seemingly throwing me under the bus to quote him
and I'm mad at you because now ultimately I do not have a say in this discussion any more and you do not seem to care
but sure. be happy that you've managed to get some clout on social media for complaining to people who already were frustrated with the situation to begin with. I'm not gonna change your mind or even say you were wrong for what you did. I just want you to know that sometimes stirring shit just makes people who were already exhausted more exhausted, and doesn't actually further the cause you were supporting
@clarfonthey I genuinely hope you have a nice day and go do something you enjoy for a while today and forget about jackasses on the Internet for a bit.
Jyn suggested emailing her with thoughts on the issue, as an alternative route to having a say. As you note: probably more effective than on a public issue if you have a concrete proposal anyway!
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cited as reason to allow LLM contributions experimentally:
Instead of using ethical concerns as a basis for policy, we should justify policy on the basis of how something is impacting our ability as a project to deliver a really great programming language.
if the orphan grinder lets us make a better programming language then FIRE THOSE BABIES UP
@Athena does it let us make a better programming language? no! but lets not focus on that…
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This list really ought to trigger an "Are we the baddies?" moment.
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@clarfonthey I genuinely hope you have a nice day and go do something you enjoy for a while today and forget about jackasses on the Internet for a bit.
Jyn suggested emailing her with thoughts on the issue, as an alternative route to having a say. As you note: probably more effective than on a public issue if you have a concrete proposal anyway!
@Athena oh, rest assured that my day was already ruined before you showed up, I'm just trying to help people understand how actually one-sided this discussion is on the inside despite it being completely stonewalled on the outside
I would apologise but it feels extremely clear this conversation hasn't upset you at all, so, just continue enjoying your day I guess
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@Athena oh, rest assured that my day was already ruined before you showed up, I'm just trying to help people understand how actually one-sided this discussion is on the inside despite it being completely stonewalled on the outside
I would apologise but it feels extremely clear this conversation hasn't upset you at all, so, just continue enjoying your day I guess
@clarfonthey thank you, I will
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cited as reason to allow LLM contributions experimentally:
Instead of using ethical concerns as a basis for policy, we should justify policy on the basis of how something is impacting our ability as a project to deliver a really great programming language.
if the orphan grinder lets us make a better programming language then FIRE THOSE BABIES UP
@Athena oh my god it's the canned libertarian "what if nothing mattered but the thign i want" take
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gettin’ myself banned from the rust github https://github.com/rust-lang/rust-forge/pull/1040#issuecomment-4460618392
@Athena wow youre good at this. arguing with centrofascists on their own turf in good faith, i mean. hard not to snap immediately when faced with such bullshit
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@Athena cool. Now I never need to think about Rust ever again.
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@Athena am hella glad I've been moving towards zig lately!!! They have a strict no-llm policy there!
@gimmechocolate @Athena
Jep, i was never good at Rust, this takes the cake thoZig ftw
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cited as reason to allow LLM contributions experimentally:
Instead of using ethical concerns as a basis for policy, we should justify policy on the basis of how something is impacting our ability as a project to deliver a really great programming language.
if the orphan grinder lets us make a better programming language then FIRE THOSE BABIES UP
@Athena That reasoning from the Rust devs... I'm sorry but how is it different from eugenics? Proponents of eugenics also had the betterment of the species as a stated goal. Both of them are putting aside ethical concerns in the name of apparent progress.
Also, any statement that starts out with "Instead of using ethical concerns as a basis for policy" should have everything following discarded because it doesn't say anything important. You started out with stating you don't give a shit about ethics so quite frankly anything else you're saying is null and void -
cited as reason to allow LLM contributions experimentally:
Instead of using ethical concerns as a basis for policy, we should justify policy on the basis of how something is impacting our ability as a project to deliver a really great programming language.
if the orphan grinder lets us make a better programming language then FIRE THOSE BABIES UP
@Athena
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@Athena wow youre good at this. arguing with centrofascists on their own turf in good faith, i mean. hard not to snap immediately when faced with such bullshit
@hsza thank you! I credit spending my entire teenage years disassociating into internet arguments (and programming, but that’s less relevant here)
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@Athena wow what a fucking disaster
and the "we could not reach consensus so let's just, ban debate"
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cited as reason to allow LLM contributions experimentally:
Instead of using ethical concerns as a basis for policy, we should justify policy on the basis of how something is impacting our ability as a project to deliver a really great programming language.
if the orphan grinder lets us make a better programming language then FIRE THOSE BABIES UP
@Athena if there's one thing i'm pretty sure they said at the business ethics course i didn't take in university, it's that externalities don't exist
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@Athena fwiw I agree with you, just, damage control atm
a large portion of the team is anti-LLM but a few key folks in charge are stonewalling discussion
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@Athena That reasoning from the Rust devs... I'm sorry but how is it different from eugenics? Proponents of eugenics also had the betterment of the species as a stated goal. Both of them are putting aside ethical concerns in the name of apparent progress.
Also, any statement that starts out with "Instead of using ethical concerns as a basis for policy" should have everything following discarded because it doesn't say anything important. You started out with stating you don't give a shit about ethics so quite frankly anything else you're saying is null and void@reiddragon in fairness, that isn’t the opening line, it’s a few paragraphs in
in continuing fairness, the additional paragraphs do not help one iota
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@Athena
Why am I suddenly thinking of Joseph Mengeles contributions to health care?@leeloo mengele made contributions to health care?
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cited as reason to allow LLM contributions experimentally:
Instead of using ethical concerns as a basis for policy, we should justify policy on the basis of how something is impacting our ability as a project to deliver a really great programming language.
if the orphan grinder lets us make a better programming language then FIRE THOSE BABIES UP
@Athena LLM people saw the scene in Snowerpiercer where the kid is part of the engine and were like "yeah, let's do that".
