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"Why can't Trump get his story straight about the nukes?"

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  • ariaflame@masto.aiA ariaflame@masto.ai

    @futurebird @InkySchwartz @hazelnot Though to be fair the USA sees *every* other nation as a lesser nation.

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    @ariaflame @futurebird @hazelnot Currently yes. At other times? Your milage may vary depending on which other countries.

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    • celesteh@hachyderm.ioC celesteh@hachyderm.io

      @InkySchwartz @futurebird @hazelnot

      In January 2001, Bush had not won the election, and was unpopular and rightly viewed as illegitimate.

      He was determined to lower taxes and cut spending, so he eliminated many of the wasteful antiterrorism programmes started by Clinton.

      On September 10th, he was not liked, was having trouble passing laws and was seen as not competent to hold his role.

      A few weeks later, he was enormously powerful and able to pass legislation that had been previously unthinkably fascist.

      So, like, why would Trump's handlers be _against_ a retaliatory strike? If he gets blamed, it will be forgotten amidst all the other chaos. And if he isn't blamed, they can rush to fill in all the blanks in their existing policy.

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      @celesteh @InkySchwartz @futurebird wait, I thought Bush did win the election but by a very small margin?

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      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

        I think the shame and that can be induced by learning new things is tied to an essentialist and immutable view of what it means to be intelligent and wise.

        For them "Intelligence" isn't something that you do, for these people it's something that you *are*

        But this is false. To be intelligent you simply need to be open to learning new things every day. Willing to grow. That's it.

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        @futurebird

        Because he is a crook!

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        • hazelnot@sunbeam.cityH hazelnot@sunbeam.city

          @celesteh @InkySchwartz @futurebird wait, I thought Bush did win the election but by a very small margin?

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          @hazelnot @InkySchwartz @futurebird

          A bunch of wealthy Republicans disrupted the recount and the Supreme Court declared Bush president (by stopping all unfinished recounts).

          Several months later an audit showed that he lost.

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          • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

            I think the shame and that can be induced by learning new things is tied to an essentialist and immutable view of what it means to be intelligent and wise.

            For them "Intelligence" isn't something that you do, for these people it's something that you *are*

            But this is false. To be intelligent you simply need to be open to learning new things every day. Willing to grow. That's it.

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            @futurebird Great points, well timed. I literally just a few minutes ago had conversation where I said “I have to admit that 3 weeks ago, I wasn’t really familiar with geography of Strait of Hormuz & Persian Gulf, & had to look them up on a map.”

            On some level, you can’t learn anything if you aren’t readily willing to admit ignorance. To the extent that narcissism prevents a person from admitting that…

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            • celesteh@hachyderm.ioC celesteh@hachyderm.io

              @hazelnot @InkySchwartz @futurebird

              A bunch of wealthy Republicans disrupted the recount and the Supreme Court declared Bush president (by stopping all unfinished recounts).

              Several months later an audit showed that he lost.

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              @celesteh @hazelnot @futurebird Which audit? Because I found 3 major ones and all showed various outcomes depending on the standard.

              https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/31/politics/bush-gore-2000-election-results-studies/

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              • inkyschwartz@mastodon.socialI inkyschwartz@mastodon.social

                @celesteh @hazelnot @futurebird Which audit? Because I found 3 major ones and all showed various outcomes depending on the standard.

                https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/31/politics/bush-gore-2000-election-results-studies/

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                @InkySchwartz @hazelnot @futurebird

                The media reporting on this was carefully vague, but all full recount of all Florida votes would be a narrow victory for Gore.

                Gore didn't sue for a full recount, so his legal strategy was not a winning one, so most reporting focussed on Gore strategy and not on the end vote tally.

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                • celesteh@hachyderm.ioC celesteh@hachyderm.io

                  @InkySchwartz @hazelnot @futurebird

                  The media reporting on this was carefully vague, but all full recount of all Florida votes would be a narrow victory for Gore.

                  Gore didn't sue for a full recount, so his legal strategy was not a winning one, so most reporting focussed on Gore strategy and not on the end vote tally.

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                  @InkySchwartz @hazelnot @futurebird

                  The Supreme Court did specifically decode the election instead of a recount, so this did call Bush's legitimacy into serious question at the time.

                  Source: am old

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                    @AdrianRiskin @futurebird @GoblinQuester In the 1950s the journalist Edward R Murrow took his documentary _See It Now_ to Princeton's Institute for Advanced Study, to explain what it did and how it worked that to the public. He observed of the experience being around this most-famous-bunch-of-thinkers that he never heard the phrase "I don't know" so often in his life.

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