"Why can't Trump get his story straight about the nukes?"
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And how do you unpack that? How do you deprogram someone from a place where learning things, and realizing how little they know is so horrible?
It's impossible to learn if you cannot admit that you do not already know everything you need to know about the world.
I think people *do* feel bad about what they don't know. Like not being able to find Iran on a map. That can feel embarrassing. But we can look at the maps. Read the history.
@futurebird This is something I don’t think I’ll ever really understand. I’m happy that I don’t know everything, won’t and can’t ever know everything, because it means there’ll always be something new out there for me. A world where I knew everything already would be a very boring one.
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@futurebird I don't know. I think one of the fundamental choices people make while growing up is how to react to discovering you didn't know something, or were wrong.
You either accept it without taking it as a personal affront, or you take it as a personal attack.
I don't know how we determine our choice; mine certainly wasn't conscious. But as far as I can tell, my entire peer group had chosen by the end of high school.Part of the problem is a culture of people who know things and use their greater knowledge to humiliate those who know less. I encounter this in job interviews all the time.
I *never* do this to other people, it's evil. But when you are being attacked, the instinct is to hate the people who know more.
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@futurebird @InkySchwartz @hazelnot Though to be fair the USA sees *every* other nation as a lesser nation.
@ariaflame @futurebird @hazelnot Currently yes. At other times? Your milage may vary depending on which other countries.
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@InkySchwartz @futurebird @hazelnot
In January 2001, Bush had not won the election, and was unpopular and rightly viewed as illegitimate.
He was determined to lower taxes and cut spending, so he eliminated many of the wasteful antiterrorism programmes started by Clinton.
On September 10th, he was not liked, was having trouble passing laws and was seen as not competent to hold his role.
A few weeks later, he was enormously powerful and able to pass legislation that had been previously unthinkably fascist.
So, like, why would Trump's handlers be _against_ a retaliatory strike? If he gets blamed, it will be forgotten amidst all the other chaos. And if he isn't blamed, they can rush to fill in all the blanks in their existing policy.
@celesteh @InkySchwartz @futurebird wait, I thought Bush did win the election but by a very small margin?
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I think the shame and that can be induced by learning new things is tied to an essentialist and immutable view of what it means to be intelligent and wise.
For them "Intelligence" isn't something that you do, for these people it's something that you *are*
But this is false. To be intelligent you simply need to be open to learning new things every day. Willing to grow. That's it.
Because he is a crook!
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@celesteh @InkySchwartz @futurebird wait, I thought Bush did win the election but by a very small margin?
@hazelnot @InkySchwartz @futurebird
A bunch of wealthy Republicans disrupted the recount and the Supreme Court declared Bush president (by stopping all unfinished recounts).
Several months later an audit showed that he lost.
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I think the shame and that can be induced by learning new things is tied to an essentialist and immutable view of what it means to be intelligent and wise.
For them "Intelligence" isn't something that you do, for these people it's something that you *are*
But this is false. To be intelligent you simply need to be open to learning new things every day. Willing to grow. That's it.
@futurebird Great points, well timed. I literally just a few minutes ago had conversation where I said “I have to admit that 3 weeks ago, I wasn’t really familiar with geography of Strait of Hormuz & Persian Gulf, & had to look them up on a map.”
On some level, you can’t learn anything if you aren’t readily willing to admit ignorance. To the extent that narcissism prevents a person from admitting that…
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@hazelnot @InkySchwartz @futurebird
A bunch of wealthy Republicans disrupted the recount and the Supreme Court declared Bush president (by stopping all unfinished recounts).
Several months later an audit showed that he lost.
@celesteh @hazelnot @futurebird Which audit? Because I found 3 major ones and all showed various outcomes depending on the standard.
https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/31/politics/bush-gore-2000-election-results-studies/
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@celesteh @hazelnot @futurebird Which audit? Because I found 3 major ones and all showed various outcomes depending on the standard.
https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/31/politics/bush-gore-2000-election-results-studies/
@InkySchwartz @hazelnot @futurebird
The media reporting on this was carefully vague, but all full recount of all Florida votes would be a narrow victory for Gore.
Gore didn't sue for a full recount, so his legal strategy was not a winning one, so most reporting focussed on Gore strategy and not on the end vote tally.
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@InkySchwartz @hazelnot @futurebird
The media reporting on this was carefully vague, but all full recount of all Florida votes would be a narrow victory for Gore.
Gore didn't sue for a full recount, so his legal strategy was not a winning one, so most reporting focussed on Gore strategy and not on the end vote tally.
@InkySchwartz @hazelnot @futurebird
The Supreme Court did specifically decode the election instead of a recount, so this did call Bush's legitimacy into serious question at the time.
Source: am old
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@AdrianRiskin @futurebird @GoblinQuester In the 1950s the journalist Edward R Murrow took his documentary _See It Now_ to Princeton's Institute for Advanced Study, to explain what it did and how it worked that to the public. He observed of the experience being around this most-famous-bunch-of-thinkers that he never heard the phrase "I don't know" so often in his life.
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