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  3. By now you've all probably heard about the latest shenanigans from Google and their love for in-browser AI features (if you don't, this is the story: https://www.theverge.com/tech/924933/google-chrome-4gb-gemini-nano-ai-features).

By now you've all probably heard about the latest shenanigans from Google and their love for in-browser AI features (if you don't, this is the story: https://www.theverge.com/tech/924933/google-chrome-4gb-gemini-nano-ai-features).

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  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

    @lazza @dalias @Vivaldi

    but...

    why would you ever want something like this?

    fuck the AI cruft. i can't understand opt-in/ opt-out as an argument

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    @benroyce @Vivaldi it's better when people have choice, not when some company forces you to behave like they want.

    Respectfully, it doesn't matter much whether you understand or not the fact that some people want to chose for themselves.

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    • kyu3a@social.vivaldi.netK kyu3a@social.vivaldi.net

      @Vivaldi I’d like to be able to hide the AI summary on Google’s search results page. This feature is very inaccurate and often gets things wrong. Plus, there’s no option to turn it off. It forces the summary onto users who don’t want it and wastes electricity.

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      @kyu3a unfortunately that's because you visit google.com. If you don't visit google.com this wouldn't be a problem.

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      • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

        By now you've all probably heard about the latest shenanigans from Google and their love for in-browser AI features (if you don't, this is the story: https://www.theverge.com/tech/924933/google-chrome-4gb-gemini-nano-ai-features).

        Our team has been inspecting the Chromium code and disabling stuff from the very first version of Vivaldi (we have some posts about this in our blog, such as https://vivaldi.com/blog/news/alert-no-google-topics-in-vivaldi/ or https://vivaldi.com/blog/no-google-vivaldi-users-will-not-get-floced/).

        We've also been very outspoken about our dislike of the built-in AI trend in the browser industry, but in case there's still any doubts: yes, we disable all Gemini-related features, and we've been doing it for a while.

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        @Vivaldi I went ahead an updated the flags suggested in the news articles, anyway. An extra bit of guard never hurt!

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        • lazza@mastodon.socialL lazza@mastodon.social

          @benroyce @Vivaldi it's better when people have choice, not when some company forces you to behave like they want.

          Respectfully, it doesn't matter much whether you understand or not the fact that some people want to chose for themselves.

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          @lazza @Vivaldi

          sure, some people choose AI

          some people choose not to get vaccinated

          rather the same phenomenon to me: poor choices

          and likewise, you don't have to use Vivaldi. that's your real choice here

          Vivaldi has ripped out the AI cruft, which most of us cheer, so go use your Chrome and enjoy yourself elsewhere

          you dig?

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          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

            @lazza @Vivaldi

            sure, some people choose AI

            some people choose not to get vaccinated

            rather the same phenomenon to me: poor choices

            and likewise, you don't have to use Vivaldi. that's your real choice here

            Vivaldi has ripped out the AI cruft, which most of us cheer, so go use your Chrome and enjoy yourself elsewhere

            you dig?

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            @benroyce @Vivaldi you should open the "Privacy and Security" panel in the settings... you will find some surprises. Like the fact that some Google services are enabled by default in Vivaldi, unless the user opts out.

            And you are getting mad because one person is suggesting that LLM integration should be opt-in.

            Priorities, I guess.

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            • lazza@mastodon.socialL lazza@mastodon.social

              @benroyce @Vivaldi you should open the "Privacy and Security" panel in the settings... you will find some surprises. Like the fact that some Google services are enabled by default in Vivaldi, unless the user opts out.

              And you are getting mad because one person is suggesting that LLM integration should be opt-in.

              Priorities, I guess.

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              @lazza @Vivaldi

              "And you are getting mad because one person is suggesting that LLM integration should be opt-in"

              yes, precisely. and i'm quite comfortable with that hard stance

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              • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                By now you've all probably heard about the latest shenanigans from Google and their love for in-browser AI features (if you don't, this is the story: https://www.theverge.com/tech/924933/google-chrome-4gb-gemini-nano-ai-features).

                Our team has been inspecting the Chromium code and disabling stuff from the very first version of Vivaldi (we have some posts about this in our blog, such as https://vivaldi.com/blog/news/alert-no-google-topics-in-vivaldi/ or https://vivaldi.com/blog/no-google-vivaldi-users-will-not-get-floced/).

                We've also been very outspoken about our dislike of the built-in AI trend in the browser industry, but in case there's still any doubts: yes, we disable all Gemini-related features, and we've been doing it for a while.

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                @Vivaldi why do you choose to fight with your foundational technology instead of rolling your own? I refuse to use anything Chromium solely so that there are other engines that may survive, why don't you?

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                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                  @lazza @Vivaldi

                  "And you are getting mad because one person is suggesting that LLM integration should be opt-in"

                  yes, precisely. and i'm quite comfortable with that hard stance

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                  @benroyce 😂

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                  • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                    By now you've all probably heard about the latest shenanigans from Google and their love for in-browser AI features (if you don't, this is the story: https://www.theverge.com/tech/924933/google-chrome-4gb-gemini-nano-ai-features).

                    Our team has been inspecting the Chromium code and disabling stuff from the very first version of Vivaldi (we have some posts about this in our blog, such as https://vivaldi.com/blog/news/alert-no-google-topics-in-vivaldi/ or https://vivaldi.com/blog/no-google-vivaldi-users-will-not-get-floced/).

                    We've also been very outspoken about our dislike of the built-in AI trend in the browser industry, but in case there's still any doubts: yes, we disable all Gemini-related features, and we've been doing it for a while.

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                    @Vivaldi Thank you! This is why Vivaldi is my browser of choice. keep up the good work!

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                    • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                      By now you've all probably heard about the latest shenanigans from Google and their love for in-browser AI features (if you don't, this is the story: https://www.theverge.com/tech/924933/google-chrome-4gb-gemini-nano-ai-features).

                      Our team has been inspecting the Chromium code and disabling stuff from the very first version of Vivaldi (we have some posts about this in our blog, such as https://vivaldi.com/blog/news/alert-no-google-topics-in-vivaldi/ or https://vivaldi.com/blog/no-google-vivaldi-users-will-not-get-floced/).

                      We've also been very outspoken about our dislike of the built-in AI trend in the browser industry, but in case there's still any doubts: yes, we disable all Gemini-related features, and we've been doing it for a while.

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                      @Vivaldi
                      How close is Vivaldi to Ungoogled Chromium?

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                      • ericcarroll@cosocial.caE ericcarroll@cosocial.ca

                        @Vivaldi
                        How close is Vivaldi to Ungoogled Chromium?

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                        @EricCarroll @Vivaldi Ungoogled Chromium is completely FOSS, while Vivaldi has some proprietary, closed source components.

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                        • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                          By now you've all probably heard about the latest shenanigans from Google and their love for in-browser AI features (if you don't, this is the story: https://www.theverge.com/tech/924933/google-chrome-4gb-gemini-nano-ai-features).

                          Our team has been inspecting the Chromium code and disabling stuff from the very first version of Vivaldi (we have some posts about this in our blog, such as https://vivaldi.com/blog/news/alert-no-google-topics-in-vivaldi/ or https://vivaldi.com/blog/no-google-vivaldi-users-will-not-get-floced/).

                          We've also been very outspoken about our dislike of the built-in AI trend in the browser industry, but in case there's still any doubts: yes, we disable all Gemini-related features, and we've been doing it for a while.

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                          @Vivaldi It's true though. I swapped to Linux because of this, instantly felt difference. Hardware was never a problem, software was.

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                          • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                            By now you've all probably heard about the latest shenanigans from Google and their love for in-browser AI features (if you don't, this is the story: https://www.theverge.com/tech/924933/google-chrome-4gb-gemini-nano-ai-features).

                            Our team has been inspecting the Chromium code and disabling stuff from the very first version of Vivaldi (we have some posts about this in our blog, such as https://vivaldi.com/blog/news/alert-no-google-topics-in-vivaldi/ or https://vivaldi.com/blog/no-google-vivaldi-users-will-not-get-floced/).

                            We've also been very outspoken about our dislike of the built-in AI trend in the browser industry, but in case there's still any doubts: yes, we disable all Gemini-related features, and we've been doing it for a while.

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                            @Vivaldi

                            I do appreciate your stance towards AI, but I'm surprised how many services you support or partner with that use generative or chat AI like Proton, DuckDuckGo, etc.

                            Have you considered including NoAIDuckDuckGo in your search engine options? Is DDG against that?

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                            • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                              By now you've all probably heard about the latest shenanigans from Google and their love for in-browser AI features (if you don't, this is the story: https://www.theverge.com/tech/924933/google-chrome-4gb-gemini-nano-ai-features).

                              Our team has been inspecting the Chromium code and disabling stuff from the very first version of Vivaldi (we have some posts about this in our blog, such as https://vivaldi.com/blog/news/alert-no-google-topics-in-vivaldi/ or https://vivaldi.com/blog/no-google-vivaldi-users-will-not-get-floced/).

                              We've also been very outspoken about our dislike of the built-in AI trend in the browser industry, but in case there's still any doubts: yes, we disable all Gemini-related features, and we've been doing it for a while.

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                              @Vivaldi nice!

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                              • kimcrawley@zeroes.caK kimcrawley@zeroes.ca

                                @dalias @lazza @Vivaldi

                                No, no planet killing "extension," either. Gen AI should be illegal.

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                                @kimcrawley @dalias @lazza @Vivaldi Heck, even the crappy spicey search they are trying to pass off as Gen AI should be illegal.

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                                • lazza@mastodon.socialL lazza@mastodon.social

                                  @dalias @Vivaldi you do realize I mentioned "opt-in", right?

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                                  @lazza @dalias @Vivaldi

                                  Even if it is opt in it will likely take resources (like disk space) that people don't want to expend.

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                                  • kyu3a@social.vivaldi.netK kyu3a@social.vivaldi.net

                                    @Vivaldi I’d like to be able to hide the AI summary on Google’s search results page. This feature is very inaccurate and often gets things wrong. Plus, there’s no option to turn it off. It forces the summary onto users who don’t want it and wastes electricity.

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                                    @kyu3a @Vivaldi The best solution to this problem is to use a search engine that does not provide an AI summary. Try Duck Duck Go.

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                                    • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                                      By now you've all probably heard about the latest shenanigans from Google and their love for in-browser AI features (if you don't, this is the story: https://www.theverge.com/tech/924933/google-chrome-4gb-gemini-nano-ai-features).

                                      Our team has been inspecting the Chromium code and disabling stuff from the very first version of Vivaldi (we have some posts about this in our blog, such as https://vivaldi.com/blog/news/alert-no-google-topics-in-vivaldi/ or https://vivaldi.com/blog/no-google-vivaldi-users-will-not-get-floced/).

                                      We've also been very outspoken about our dislike of the built-in AI trend in the browser industry, but in case there's still any doubts: yes, we disable all Gemini-related features, and we've been doing it for a while.

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                                      @Vivaldi not if you uninstall it.

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                                      • kyu3a@social.vivaldi.netK kyu3a@social.vivaldi.net

                                        @Vivaldi I’d like to be able to hide the AI summary on Google’s search results page. This feature is very inaccurate and often gets things wrong. Plus, there’s no option to turn it off. It forces the summary onto users who don’t want it and wastes electricity.

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                                        @kyu3a @Vivaldi You can either add &udm=14 to the query url, which turns AI summary off for that query, or you can use DuckDuckGo or some other search engine that lets you disable AI. (StartPage, as far as I can tell, doesn't have any AI features.)

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                                        • pl@cosocial.caP pl@cosocial.ca

                                          @Vivaldi why do you choose to fight with your foundational technology instead of rolling your own? I refuse to use anything Chromium solely so that there are other engines that may survive, why don't you?

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                                          @pl @Vivaldi Ever try rolling your own rendering engine?

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