@screwlisp is having some site connectivity problems so asked me to remind everyone that we'll be on the anonradio forum at the top of the hour (a bit less than ten minutes hence) for those who like that kind of thing:

[ramin_hal9001@fe.disroot.org]

"I do recall Emacs ^S and ^Q being problematic due to terminal mode occasionally getting set badly (and then the underlying hardware would wake up, "Oh, flow control! I know how to do that!", ^S would freeze everything and you had to Just Know to do ^Q...)"

@wrog@mastodon.murkworks.net this is still a problem in modern terminal emulators. On my Linux Mint installation the all of the terminal emulator software emulates the DEC VT-220 hardware pretty closely, so it does actually send the ASCII DC1 and DC3 characters for C-s and C-q, and the virtual TTY device responds accordingly by blocking all further characters except for DC1 and DC3. You have to execute the command stty -ixon to disable soft flow control for a given TTY device after it has been initialized by the operating system. I think there is a way configure the pseudoterminal manager system control to create virtual TTY devices that ignore DC1 and DC3 characters, but I don't know how, and for whatever reason (probably for backward compatibility with older Unix systems) Debian-based Linux doesn't configure it this way by default.

@kentpitman@climatejustice.social @dougmerritt@mathstodon.xyz @screwlisp@gamerplus.org @cdegroot@mstdn.ca

[screwlisp@gamerplus.org]

With some apologies to legends:

(defun chained-toot
(lim str)
(let ((space (- lim 8))
(End (length str))
(span (+ 1 (ceiling (/ (length str) (- lim 8))))))
(cl-loop
for idx from 1 to span
for start from 0 by space
for end from space by space
for piece = (cl-subseq str start (min end End))
for addy = (format "%s\n%d/%d" piece idx span)
collect addy)))

@dougmerritt @mousebot @wrog @cdegroot @ramin_hal9001 @kentpitman
#elisp

[dougmerritt@mathstodon.xyz]

@screwlisp
You forgot to change 'space' in a complex inscrutable way at each step.

@mousebot @wrog @cdegroot @ramin_hal9001 @kentpitman

[screwlisp@gamerplus.org]

@dougmerritt
I thought about it, but what if the chain of toots are all non-whitespace-characters anyway. So I decided not to try. Now, cooking in heuristically "proper" justification anyway, you say... But that way madness lies.
@mousebot @wrog @cdegroot @ramin_hal9001 @kentpitman

[dougmerritt@mathstodon.xyz]

@screwlisp
> But that way madness lies.

That's never stopped you before!

But ok.

@mousebot @wrog @cdegroot @ramin_hal9001 @kentpitman

[screwlisp@gamerplus.org]

@dougmerritt
No I began working on it when you said using :from-end and :test-not with search, but I have been frustrated by elisp not actually being common lisp. Also I did not have ielm installed, and it seems like ielm is not in melpa.
@mousebot @wrog @cdegroot @ramin_hal9001 @kentpitman

[dougmerritt@mathstodon.xyz]

@screwlisp
> frustrated by elisp not actually being common lisp

Oh right.

Well, I'm just kibitzing to give you a hard time, so just ignore me, carry on.

@mousebot @wrog @cdegroot @ramin_hal9001 @kentpitman

[screwlisp@gamerplus.org]

@dougmerritt
Also I was just confused, of course M-x ielm enters ielm

[wrog@mastodon.murkworks.net]

@screwlisp @dougmerritt @mousebot @cdegroot @ramin_hal9001 @kentpitman

figuring out how to split up a toot is solving the wrong problem. In my cases I *know* how I want to split it up.

what I want is the ability to create a sequence of posts, edit them all in place, shuffle text around + attach media and polls wherever I want, get them all looking right,

and then send them all in one fell swoop.

I think the key concept is being able to compose a reply to a draft.

i.e., In-Reply-To is a buffer rather than a URL

Posting the reply automatically posts the In-Reply-To **first**. And likewise for longer chains.

Make that work in a reasonable way, and everything else follows.

(I'm up to 5000 chars in my draft reply on codeberg...)

[ewhac@mastodon.social]

@ramin_hal9001 @kentpitman @screwlisp @wrog @dougmerritt @cdegroot
I was using ^S/^Q last night to pause some fast-moving `make` output to check to see if the thing that should have gotten built got built.

[dougmerritt@mathstodon.xyz]

@ewhac
It comes up far less often in today's windowing environments, but we've got those reflexes as a must from the bad old days, eh?

@ramin_hal9001 @kentpitman @screwlisp @wrog @cdegroot

[ramin_hal9001@fe.disroot.org]

@dougmerritt@mathstodon.xyz @ewhac@mastodon.social that is a good use for ^S/^Q, although I tend to use ^Z for that instead.

And since switching to Emacs and controlling my remote terminals using the TRAMP system, I haven't actually had to think too much about sending control characters directly to a TTY device. I just let Emacs buffer all the output and C-r search through the buffer.

@kentpitman@climatejustice.social @screwlisp@gamerplus.org @wrog@mastodon.murkworks.net @cdegroot@mstdn.ca

[cy@fedicy.us.to]

What I do for that is craft one single long post. Because it's not like there would be a character limit, right? That would be silly.

CC: @screwlisp@gamerplus.org @dougmerritt@mathstodon.xyz @mousebot@todon.nl @cdegroot@mstdn.ca @ramin_hal9001@fe.disroot.org @kentpitman@climatejustice.social

[mikebabcock@floss.social]

@kentpitman @screwlisp @cdegroot @ramin_hal9001 I feel so old just for knowing what a MOO is. Awesome.

[dougmerritt@mathstodon.xyz]

@cy
Presumably you're joking. But different of us suffer different character limits. My server, Mathstodon.xyz, has a limit of 1729 characters -- but for most servers it's significantly less.

And some may be larger. Yours, perhaps. But that doesn't help others.

@screwlisp @mousebot @cdegroot @ramin_hal9001 @kentpitman @wrog

[cy@fedicy.us.to]

I'm joking, yes. And also criticizing those servers. But honestly, I don't like writing super long posts. I feel like I'm ignoring people and not letting them get in a word edgewise. When I consider ranting about something in long form, I try to write a little bit at a time, and give people a chance to respond before writing more. Make it a conversation instead of an essay.

Or sometimes if I just don't care I'll splurg it all out and hope that nobody bothers reading that shit.

CC: @screwlisp@gamerplus.org @mousebot@todon.nl @cdegroot@mstdn.ca @ramin_hal9001@fe.disroot.org @kentpitman@climatejustice.social @wrog@mastodon.murkworks.net

[dougmerritt@mathstodon.xyz]

@cy
> I feel like I'm ignoring people and not letting them get in a word edgewise

The world could use more people with that perception! Too many people do that and obviously don't notice they're doing that.

@screwlisp @mousebot @cdegroot @ramin_hal9001 @kentpitman @wrog

[slowenough@mastodon.social]

Geeks under a certain age are impressed by the idea one was messing about in massively multiplayer worlds in the 1980s. It was early!

I ran into TinyMUD first, and via TinyMUCK their Forth-based MUD language, MUF. Something about programming in MUDs lent itself to thinking in objects though and thinking about the things I wished I could do I (later realized I) started reverse-engineering object-oriented coding.

(I'd had earlier encounters w LISP, so at some point I realized what I was doing.)

[wrog@mastodon.murkworks.net]

@cy @screwlisp @mousebot @cdegroot @ramin_hal9001 @kentpitman @dougmerritt

It's Twitter Culture. We're all supposed to speak in sound bites. Dorsey or whoever decided if you can't fit it in 130 chars, it's not worth saying. Then at some point they doubled it and thought that was generous enough.

And now short posts are what people expect.

LJ never had a limit.

Hell, **Usenet** never had a limit and we were suffering under far worse resource constraints back then.

I miss Usenet.

[dougmerritt@mathstodon.xyz]

@wrog
I miss Usenet, too. But it suffered a shortage of cat videos, so it had to go.

@cy @screwlisp @mousebot @cdegroot @ramin_hal9001 @kentpitman