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  3. I have a friend who has a budget where she spends as much individually on AI-as-a-service tokens as I make in a year.

I have a friend who has a budget where she spends as much individually on AI-as-a-service tokens as I make in a year.

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  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

    (And note that *each engineer* at the org has a budget for token spend that's equivalent to what I make in a year)

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    @cwebber i bet that's completely sustainable and will last forever

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    • mike@thecanadian.socialM mike@thecanadian.social

      @cwebber I'm not advocating replacing humans but I think the business case would be that an AI doesn't sleep, eat, take breaks, get sick, go on holiday or require a raise every year. Also an employer pays more than your salary, the line item for a human resource is salary plus payroll tax, and benefits. so it's usually your gross salary plus 30%.
      I really do get where you're coming from though. AI should be a force multiplier not an excuse to layoff staff.

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      @mike Is it true that AI won't require a raise every year? I wouldn't be surprised that executives would think that, but it seems like token price inflation would be a lot harder for companies to mitigate than it has been for them to suppress wages. AI has the whole multi-billion dollar company apparatus behind it, most employees are lucky if they can afford an employment lawyer to read their contracts.

      @cwebber

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      • cargot_robbie@urbanists.socialC cargot_robbie@urbanists.social

        @mike Is it true that AI won't require a raise every year? I wouldn't be surprised that executives would think that, but it seems like token price inflation would be a lot harder for companies to mitigate than it has been for them to suppress wages. AI has the whole multi-billion dollar company apparatus behind it, most employees are lucky if they can afford an employment lawyer to read their contracts.

        @cwebber

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        @cargot_robbie @cwebber Fair point

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        • mike@thecanadian.socialM mike@thecanadian.social

          @cwebber I'm not advocating replacing humans but I think the business case would be that an AI doesn't sleep, eat, take breaks, get sick, go on holiday or require a raise every year. Also an employer pays more than your salary, the line item for a human resource is salary plus payroll tax, and benefits. so it's usually your gross salary plus 30%.
          I really do get where you're coming from though. AI should be a force multiplier not an excuse to layoff staff.

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          @mike @cwebber
          Of course, the OTHER thing AI doesn't do is learn from its mistakes (that humans had to clean up after).

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          • n1xnx@tilde.zoneN n1xnx@tilde.zone

            @mike @cwebber
            Of course, the OTHER thing AI doesn't do is learn from its mistakes (that humans had to clean up after).

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            @n1xnx @cwebber Actually that is somewhat debatable. The models do accept training and do by definition learn. Do they learn like humans? Probably not.

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            • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

              I have a friend who has a budget where she spends as much individually on AI-as-a-service tokens as I make in a year. And it's acknowledged that the system misbehaves, needs to be monitored closely like a junior engineer, etc.

              So why not hire some junior engineers if you're an org that has that equivalent cash to spend? Companies that are in such a position: you've never had a better market chance to get a sweet deal on young talent

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              @cwebber

              AI isn't funded by the fossil fuel industry for its revenue or ROI (return on investment).

              AI initiatives exist to launder fossil fuel money for corrupt petrostate despots.
              https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/27/technology/saudi-arabia-ai-exporter.html

              AI initiatives exist to burn more fossil fuel, wastefully.
              https://www.wired.com/story/trump-energy-industry-ai-fossil-fuels-pittsburgh-summit/

              There's also the chokepoint capitalism, electricity rate surge, state surveillance, election meddling, wage suppression, price fixing, predatory pricing, rent fixing, & automated warfare.

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              • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                I have a friend who has a budget where she spends as much individually on AI-as-a-service tokens as I make in a year. And it's acknowledged that the system misbehaves, needs to be monitored closely like a junior engineer, etc.

                So why not hire some junior engineers if you're an org that has that equivalent cash to spend? Companies that are in such a position: you've never had a better market chance to get a sweet deal on young talent

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                @cwebber Tokens don't unionize

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                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                  I have a friend who has a budget where she spends as much individually on AI-as-a-service tokens as I make in a year. And it's acknowledged that the system misbehaves, needs to be monitored closely like a junior engineer, etc.

                  So why not hire some junior engineers if you're an org that has that equivalent cash to spend? Companies that are in such a position: you've never had a better market chance to get a sweet deal on young talent

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                  @cwebber it's not rational spending, but irrational resentment. Corpos resent employees with the energy of a thousand suns. They see every work-life accommodation as a conspiracy to steal their god given right to profit margins and every paycheck as a defeat.

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                  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                    I have a friend who has a budget where she spends as much individually on AI-as-a-service tokens as I make in a year. And it's acknowledged that the system misbehaves, needs to be monitored closely like a junior engineer, etc.

                    So why not hire some junior engineers if you're an org that has that equivalent cash to spend? Companies that are in such a position: you've never had a better market chance to get a sweet deal on young talent

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                    @cwebber ai cant unionize

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                    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                      I have a friend who has a budget where she spends as much individually on AI-as-a-service tokens as I make in a year. And it's acknowledged that the system misbehaves, needs to be monitored closely like a junior engineer, etc.

                      So why not hire some junior engineers if you're an org that has that equivalent cash to spend? Companies that are in such a position: you've never had a better market chance to get a sweet deal on young talent

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                      @cwebber sooo they don't have to pay into #HealthInsurance and can shift that burden to you instead #CapitalStrike

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                      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                        I have a friend who has a budget where she spends as much individually on AI-as-a-service tokens as I make in a year. And it's acknowledged that the system misbehaves, needs to be monitored closely like a junior engineer, etc.

                        So why not hire some junior engineers if you're an org that has that equivalent cash to spend? Companies that are in such a position: you've never had a better market chance to get a sweet deal on young talent

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                        @cwebber
                        They lie that they cannot find the talent

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