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Hot take of the day: we could have stopped Adobe ages ago if GIMP had any other name.

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  • craigp@mastodon.socialC craigp@mastodon.social

    Hot take of the day: we could have stopped Adobe ages ago if GIMP had any other name.

    GIMP is nominative determinism applied to open source. If Fedora was named FUCKBOI, it would have failed too.

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    @Craigp

    Personally, I'm now very interested in the FUCKBOI software you mentioned 🤔

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    • thad@brontosin.spaceT thad@brontosin.space

      @Craigp I don't think its name is the *only* thing that's been holding it back. But I agree that it's a significant factor.

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      @Thad i think a better name would have brought more faces and a more lively current to the project. Stagnation breeds mosquitos.

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      • craigp@mastodon.socialC craigp@mastodon.social

        Hot take of the day: we could have stopped Adobe ages ago if GIMP had any other name.

        GIMP is nominative determinism applied to open source. If Fedora was named FUCKBOI, it would have failed too.

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        @Craigp @eniko I
        Uh
        Would totally
        Run
        FUCKBOI Linux
        And uh
        Would also never shut up about it.

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        • woozle@toot.catW woozle@toot.cat

          @Craigp
          [Proposal for Community-Driven GnuImp fork]

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          @woozle @Craigp Oop, there's the harassment pitchforks over yonder. 😬

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          • craigp@mastodon.socialC craigp@mastodon.social

            GIMP spent a decade sucking the oxygen out of open source image editing because open source advocates would say "just contribute to the porn sextime fetish sadomaso image editor" and people would say "uhhhh. I'll just keep using Photoshop, or maybe donate my coding to, uh... a mouse driver or something..."

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            @Craigp using gimp is in itself an act of masochism so dark i wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy, so maybe that is more of an issue than the naming scheme …

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            • craigp@mastodon.socialC craigp@mastodon.social

              Hot take of the day: we could have stopped Adobe ages ago if GIMP had any other name.

              GIMP is nominative determinism applied to open source. If Fedora was named FUCKBOI, it would have failed too.

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              @Craigp uhm... I don't think the name did as much as the messy user interface...
              manjaro in italian sounds silly/funny, but it's overtaking ubuntu and fedora nonetheless

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              • waltertross@mastodon.onlineW waltertross@mastodon.online

                @Craigp I must say, not all the word speaks English as a first language, and those who don't don't care much how it's called. I, for one, care more about how to verbally communicate about it. It has the same pronunciation ambiguity (for non-native English speakers) as GIF.

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                @waltertross sure, but the english as a first language world drove a lot of open source contributions and art program usage, and that's my point.

                It stagnates because a big chunk of their userbase and potential contributors didn't want to see the name, even if others didn't care.

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                • craigp@mastodon.socialC craigp@mastodon.social

                  @Thad i think a better name would have brought more faces and a more lively current to the project. Stagnation breeds mosquitos.

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                  @Craigp Yeah, I agree with that. I don't think it would have put it in a position to take out Adobe, but it would almost certainly be in a better position than it's in.

                  And of course the name is symptomatic of a bigger, more general problem, of projects being led by overgrown teenage boys who retreat into a defensive "can't you take a joke?" posture when someone tells them they're putting people off.

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                  • u0421793@toot.pikopublish.ingU u0421793@toot.pikopublish.ing

                    @Craigp@mastodon.social hah! This imagines that GIMP is a programme that artists and designers would willingly want to use, voluntarily. It’s just too obtuse, ugly, incorrect, and essentially faulty compared to just about any normal macOS programme out there since the 80s.

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                    @u0421793 IMO, yes, BECAUSE people refused to contribute to a project with that name.

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                    • beaiouns@is.nota.liveB beaiouns@is.nota.live

                      @luxliquida @Craigp maybe Krita would be good for photo editing? I pretty much only use it for MS Paint style stuff, but that's what I was using gimp for too. Both have a lot of buttons that I haven't learned about yet

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                      @beaiouns @luxliquida ibuse Krita for painting! I haven't tried editing photos.

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                      • craigp@mastodon.socialC craigp@mastodon.social

                        GIMP spent a decade sucking the oxygen out of open source image editing because open source advocates would say "just contribute to the porn sextime fetish sadomaso image editor" and people would say "uhhhh. I'll just keep using Photoshop, or maybe donate my coding to, uh... a mouse driver or something..."

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                        It appears this really was the hot take of the day. Stick around for long threads on boring shit.

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                        • craigp@mastodon.socialC craigp@mastodon.social

                          Hot take of the day: we could have stopped Adobe ages ago if GIMP had any other name.

                          GIMP is nominative determinism applied to open source. If Fedora was named FUCKBOI, it would have failed too.

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                          @Craigp

                          I agree they should have renamed GnuIMP a long time ago.

                          But counter example, did inkscape eat a meaningful percentage of illustrator's market share?

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                          • intrepidhero@vmst.ioI intrepidhero@vmst.io

                            @Craigp

                            I agree they should have renamed GnuIMP a long time ago.

                            But counter example, did inkscape eat a meaningful percentage of illustrator's market share?

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                            @intrepidhero i think the existence of GIMP chilled the image editing open source environment enough that alternate projects struggled too.

                            By the time people gave up on it, open source was far behind and the market was consolidated.

                            imo.

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