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  • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

    You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

    fightscore@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
    fightscore@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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    @beyondmachines1 To be fair, AI has its use, right? Maybe the business model just got to be better, maybe token count might need tweaking -- maybe put weight to something like output value, rather than input/output count.
    To be sure, AI should not replace humans, rather augment us.

    toriver@mas.toT fedithom@social.saarlandF tattie@eldritch.cafeT canleaf@mastodon.socialC wesdym@mastodon.socialW 5 Replies Last reply
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    • kepeken@mastodon.gamedev.placeK kepeken@mastodon.gamedev.place

      @beyondmachines1 Why are so many of these anti-ai posts so obviously written by an LLM?

      pgcd@mastodon.onlineP This user is from outside of this forum
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      @kepeken spacing paragraphs and using short sentences is not an indicator of LLMs. It's what we used to call "effective writing" back when I was young.
      Which is why it's used by LLMs, of course, since they're trained on stuff that survived and is available (so, likely, the most effective).
      Also, it's been the standard communication style on LinkedIn for several years as well so any corpo would probably try to emulate it.

      @beyondmachines1

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      • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

        You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

        herman@mastodon.worldH This user is from outside of this forum
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        @beyondmachines1 🎯🎯🎯

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        • pgcd@mastodon.onlineP pgcd@mastodon.online

          @kepeken spacing paragraphs and using short sentences is not an indicator of LLMs. It's what we used to call "effective writing" back when I was young.
          Which is why it's used by LLMs, of course, since they're trained on stuff that survived and is available (so, likely, the most effective).
          Also, it's been the standard communication style on LinkedIn for several years as well so any corpo would probably try to emulate it.

          @beyondmachines1

          jaseg@chaos.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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          @pgcd @kepeken to me that also read as LLM slop, and not just because of the short sentences.

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          • jaseg@chaos.socialJ jaseg@chaos.social

            @pgcd @kepeken to me that also read as LLM slop, and not just because of the short sentences.

            pgcd@mastodon.onlineP This user is from outside of this forum
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            @jaseg I know, and I agree that it _looks_ like AI slop. But that doesn't mean it _is_ AI slop, since the whole point of LLMs is to make stuff that looks like a human could've written it.
            Not all cans of Campbell's soup are a Warhol painting, I mean (although some are).

            @kepeken

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            • jaseg@chaos.socialJ jaseg@chaos.social

              @pgcd @kepeken to me that also read as LLM slop, and not just because of the short sentences.

              dzwiedziu@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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              @jaseg @kepeken
              Folx, don't accuse other people of slop if you're basing on vibes only.

              As @pgcd mentioned “AI” extrusions are designed to mimic human works.

              And yes, you can fondle a prompt to do this, yet I would argue that there is less chance for an “AI”-critical person to do this.

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              • dzwiedziu@mastodon.socialD dzwiedziu@mastodon.social

                @jaseg @kepeken
                Folx, don't accuse other people of slop if you're basing on vibes only.

                As @pgcd mentioned “AI” extrusions are designed to mimic human works.

                And yes, you can fondle a prompt to do this, yet I would argue that there is less chance for an “AI”-critical person to do this.

                pgcd@mastodon.onlineP This user is from outside of this forum
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                @dzwiedziu well said.

                Also, TBH, this is one case where I agree with the message enough that I'd be sharing it even if it had been written by Elmo Skum.

                @jaseg @kepeken

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                • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

                  You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

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                  @beyondmachines1

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                  • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

                    You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

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                    @beyondmachines1 Don't forget that AI consumes power and water but is not a consumer and will not be buying products and services in the way that people would. Thus, CEOs have sufficiently increased the cost of creating products and services and have completely eliminated income from consumers who can no longer buy them. Lose lose.

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                    • fightscore@mastodon.socialF fightscore@mastodon.social

                      @beyondmachines1 To be fair, AI has its use, right? Maybe the business model just got to be better, maybe token count might need tweaking -- maybe put weight to something like output value, rather than input/output count.
                      To be sure, AI should not replace humans, rather augment us.

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                      @fightscore @beyondmachines1 Real AI sure, but the stochastic parrot LLMs not so much. I used to call them "machine lying" but lying requires knowledge of true and false and LLMs do not have that.

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                      • raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie

                        @beyondmachines1
                        And maybe 40% of the time it's garbage, but plausible. Without the experts you fired, you don't know when it's wrong.

                        So even if it was free, it would only really be a toy.

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                        @raymaccarthy @beyondmachines1 It's really expected - they're just adhering to the hype that Generative Autocomplete can do all things humans do. If they were at least adopting it as a *tool* and not joining that specific hype, they'd be able to see that problem right away, or at least avoid it...

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                        • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

                          You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

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                          @beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

                          this isnt going to matter to any c suite retards until ai bankrupts a large company (which seems unlikely) and they start a trend of posting on linkedin about the problem.
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                          • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

                            You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

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                            @beyondmachines1 Perfect - now CEOs can have fun

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                            • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

                              You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

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                              @BeyondMachines :verified: in particular the part regarding the complete access always leaves me baffled. i still remember a time when nearly all business emails had footers consisting of something like an NDA:
                              this is confidential. if you recieved this mail in error, shoot yourself, delete the mail and burn all your computers.
                              and now every manager is happily handing out everything to google, microsoft, agentic ai aso.
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                              • toriver@mas.toT toriver@mas.to

                                @fightscore @beyondmachines1 Real AI sure, but the stochastic parrot LLMs not so much. I used to call them "machine lying" but lying requires knowledge of true and false and LLMs do not have that.

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                                @toriver @fightscore @beyondmachines1 sounds like you never experienced an LLM finding the source of a production bug based on log files, code and given context, in less than 10min where you would have needed at least half a day

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                                • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

                                  You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

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                                  @beyondmachines1 forget about bitcoin, AI tokens are the new currency.

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                                  • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

                                    You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

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                                    @beyondmachines1 me at work:"Hey that AI icon thing on Jira, is that new?"
                                    Guy in charge:" Oh we don't know why Atlassian turned it on. We definitely don't want people to use it because Atlassian says it's 'free for now' and won't tell us what it will cost later.. We don't want people to get used to it if we can't predict the cost."
                                    The day after, the icon was gone. Not everyone in tech is a mindless drone. I usually like ny job.

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                                    • fightscore@mastodon.socialF fightscore@mastodon.social

                                      @beyondmachines1 To be fair, AI has its use, right? Maybe the business model just got to be better, maybe token count might need tweaking -- maybe put weight to something like output value, rather than input/output count.
                                      To be sure, AI should not replace humans, rather augment us.

                                      fedithom@social.saarlandF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @fightscore

                                      No. GenAI just needs to die.

                                      https://social.saarland/@fedithom/112455121136790239
                                      @beyondmachines1

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                                      • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

                                        You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

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                                        @beyondmachines1 I just wish it would blow up in their faces more spectacularly. Like, with a bigger boom and not "quiet realization".

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                                        • beyondmachines1@infosec.exchangeB beyondmachines1@infosec.exchange

                                          You gave a stranger with no soul and no skin in the game the keys to everything you own.

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                                          @beyondmachines1

                                          True…

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