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Sat in a call where someone has just realised that their whole ISO framework that they've spent months creating is based on an incorrect list of controls that an AI tool gave them.

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  • cyberoutsider@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
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    Sat in a call where someone has just realised that their whole ISO framework that they've spent months creating is based on an incorrect list of controls that an AI tool gave them.

    Apparently they never thought to purchase the actual standard and check themselves.

    Is there a German word for this?

    cyberoutsider@infosec.exchangeC krys@hachyderm.ioK henryk@chaos.socialH 16af93@wetdry.world1 rakowskibartosz@hachyderm.ioR 8 Replies Last reply
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    • cyberoutsider@infosec.exchangeC cyberoutsider@infosec.exchange

      Sat in a call where someone has just realised that their whole ISO framework that they've spent months creating is based on an incorrect list of controls that an AI tool gave them.

      Apparently they never thought to purchase the actual standard and check themselves.

      Is there a German word for this?

      cyberoutsider@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
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      I honestly don't think I've seen such a clear example of time & effort being wasted as a result of blind reliance on AI before.

      Let's be clear, it probably won't take that long to fix as a lot of the work will still be applicable (as long as the implementation wasn't AI-drivel too)... but, seriously, all for the sake of not spending the time to read the actual standard?

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      • cyberoutsider@infosec.exchangeC cyberoutsider@infosec.exchange

        Sat in a call where someone has just realised that their whole ISO framework that they've spent months creating is based on an incorrect list of controls that an AI tool gave them.

        Apparently they never thought to purchase the actual standard and check themselves.

        Is there a German word for this?

        krys@hachyderm.ioK This user is from outside of this forum
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        @Cyberoutsider strunzdumm

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        • cyberoutsider@infosec.exchangeC cyberoutsider@infosec.exchange

          Sat in a call where someone has just realised that their whole ISO framework that they've spent months creating is based on an incorrect list of controls that an AI tool gave them.

          Apparently they never thought to purchase the actual standard and check themselves.

          Is there a German word for this?

          henryk@chaos.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
          henryk@chaos.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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          @Cyberoutsider "Ups"

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          • cyberoutsider@infosec.exchangeC cyberoutsider@infosec.exchange

            I honestly don't think I've seen such a clear example of time & effort being wasted as a result of blind reliance on AI before.

            Let's be clear, it probably won't take that long to fix as a lot of the work will still be applicable (as long as the implementation wasn't AI-drivel too)... but, seriously, all for the sake of not spending the time to read the actual standard?

            lemmus@social.vivaldi.netL This user is from outside of this forum
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            @Cyberoutsider Out of morbid curiosity, especially in regards to the blast radius, which ISO?

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            • cyberoutsider@infosec.exchangeC cyberoutsider@infosec.exchange

              Sat in a call where someone has just realised that their whole ISO framework that they've spent months creating is based on an incorrect list of controls that an AI tool gave them.

              Apparently they never thought to purchase the actual standard and check themselves.

              Is there a German word for this?

              16af93@wetdry.world1 This user is from outside of this forum
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              @Cyberoutsider lol, airrtum

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              • cyberoutsider@infosec.exchangeC cyberoutsider@infosec.exchange

                I honestly don't think I've seen such a clear example of time & effort being wasted as a result of blind reliance on AI before.

                Let's be clear, it probably won't take that long to fix as a lot of the work will still be applicable (as long as the implementation wasn't AI-drivel too)... but, seriously, all for the sake of not spending the time to read the actual standard?

                jprjr@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                @Cyberoutsider people just don't read anything anymore. It's kind of a problem.

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                • cyberoutsider@infosec.exchangeC cyberoutsider@infosec.exchange

                  I honestly don't think I've seen such a clear example of time & effort being wasted as a result of blind reliance on AI before.

                  Let's be clear, it probably won't take that long to fix as a lot of the work will still be applicable (as long as the implementation wasn't AI-drivel too)... but, seriously, all for the sake of not spending the time to read the actual standard?

                  adamsteer@mapstodon.spaceA This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @Cyberoutsider welcome to bicycle mechanicry. Almost daily, "AI told me this was absolutely the right part / method!"

                  My human in the big wheel, no...

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                  • cyberoutsider@infosec.exchangeC cyberoutsider@infosec.exchange

                    I honestly don't think I've seen such a clear example of time & effort being wasted as a result of blind reliance on AI before.

                    Let's be clear, it probably won't take that long to fix as a lot of the work will still be applicable (as long as the implementation wasn't AI-drivel too)... but, seriously, all for the sake of not spending the time to read the actual standard?

                    h3@chaos.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @Cyberoutsider the fix would be making standards free to read

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                      @neoluddite @Cyberoutsider
                      no. i think LLM use is often a symptom of some larger problem at hand. like standards not being available. or too much workload. genAI is a good tool to conceal what's wrong with a system, and the people at the short end of the stick are told it's actually good for them

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                        @neoluddite @Cyberoutsider

                        using LLMs for therapy is obviously not good for the user, but just indicates how dysfunctional a medial system is for those who dont have lots of cash on hand.
                        in the US, you get fucked financially, here in Germany, it's hard to get it through public health insurance, and in the UK ur going on multi-year waitlists for anything trans*-related.

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                          @neoluddite @Cyberoutsider

                          using LLMs for therapy is obviously not good for the user, but just indicates how dysfunctional a medial system is for those who dont have lots of cash on hand.
                          in the US, you get fucked financially, here in Germany, it's hard to get it through public health insurance, and in the UK ur going on multi-year waitlists for anything trans*-related.

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                          @neoluddite @Cyberoutsider

                          or "AI partners" which are at best an indicator for widespread lonelyness, but probably just a symptom of people desiring "a partner that obeys" (can have its memories edited and such) because all those fucked up patriarchical ideas still inger everywhere under a thin coat of paint

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                            @Cyberoutsider people just don't read anything anymore. It's kind of a problem.

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                            @jprjr @Cyberoutsider Hallucinating plagiarism machines are *designed* to feed their victims answers that reduce their ability to do their own critical thinking in favour of relying more with their overhyped Clippy instead.

                            They actively encourage addictive behavior because it increases shareholder value.

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                              @jpm @Cyberoutsider <Takei>Oh, my...</Takei>

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                              • cyberoutsider@infosec.exchangeC cyberoutsider@infosec.exchange

                                Sat in a call where someone has just realised that their whole ISO framework that they've spent months creating is based on an incorrect list of controls that an AI tool gave them.

                                Apparently they never thought to purchase the actual standard and check themselves.

                                Is there a German word for this?

                                rakowskibartosz@hachyderm.ioR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @Cyberoutsider don't know for them, but for me it's schAIdenfreude

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                                • h3@chaos.socialH h3@chaos.social

                                  @Cyberoutsider the fix would be making standards free to read

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                                  @h3 @Cyberoutsider Won't help when they go "Gemini, summarize this page" and it'll cheerfully hallucinate half the information.

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                                  • cyberoutsider@infosec.exchangeC cyberoutsider@infosec.exchange

                                    Sat in a call where someone has just realised that their whole ISO framework that they've spent months creating is based on an incorrect list of controls that an AI tool gave them.

                                    Apparently they never thought to purchase the actual standard and check themselves.

                                    Is there a German word for this?

                                    funnymonkey@freeradical.zoneF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @Cyberoutsider

                                    AI efficiency and time savings in action!

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                                    • cyberoutsider@infosec.exchangeC cyberoutsider@infosec.exchange

                                      Sat in a call where someone has just realised that their whole ISO framework that they've spent months creating is based on an incorrect list of controls that an AI tool gave them.

                                      Apparently they never thought to purchase the actual standard and check themselves.

                                      Is there a German word for this?

                                      lennybacon@infosec.exchangeL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @Cyberoutsider Intelligenzkunstwerk

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                                      • h3@chaos.socialH h3@chaos.social

                                        @Cyberoutsider the fix would be making standards free to read

                                        celesteh@hachyderm.ioC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @h3 @Cyberoutsider

                                        Its extremely weird that things are meant to be both standards and paywalled. Like, is it international and for everyone or not?

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                                        • cyberoutsider@infosec.exchangeC cyberoutsider@infosec.exchange

                                          Sat in a call where someone has just realised that their whole ISO framework that they've spent months creating is based on an incorrect list of controls that an AI tool gave them.

                                          Apparently they never thought to purchase the actual standard and check themselves.

                                          Is there a German word for this?

                                          dekkzz78@ruby.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          @Cyberoutsider

                                          schadenfreude

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