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  3. As an autistic woman, who experienced SA herself and as an intersectional feminist, I reject the trope that most men are monsters, that men are inherently bad and women inherently good.

As an autistic woman, who experienced SA herself and as an intersectional feminist, I reject the trope that most men are monsters, that men are inherently bad and women inherently good.

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  • doggle@mastodon.onlineD doggle@mastodon.online

    @Bebef
    I took it as sexual abuse, so glad you asked.
    @KaCi

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    @doggle @KaCi I had no clue whatsoever. First thing that popped into my mind was "social anxiety", but then I was like "nah, that can't possibly be it". At the same time, I was out of ideas what else it could be.

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    • kaci@autistics.lifeK kaci@autistics.life

      As an autistic woman, who experienced SA herself and as an intersectional feminist, I reject the trope that most men are monsters, that men are inherently bad and women inherently good. This approach is the opposite of helpful, it’s highly problematic for all genders and leads to the terf, fascist, religious extremism pipeline.

      It’s not the gender, that corrupts people, it’s power.

      For that reason, Feminism and Anarchism are strongly intertwined. Because we are not talking about physical power here. If you can train a huge dog, that could kill you with a bite, not to touch his food until you allow him to do so, we as a society can teach men not to rape a woman during her sleep.

      The problem is, that we don’t do that. Living in patriarchy means, that a poor black girl has to take more responsibility and is held more accountable than a rich white man.

      Patriarchy limits men’s possibilities for personal growth, it makes most of them become weak cowards, who exploit women and are easy to control. That is why oppressors created this system in the first place. This is what intersectional feminists mean, when they say, that men suffer under patriarchy too.

      It also means, that not all women are safe for other women. As a marginalized, autistic woman, I might feel safer with an autistic man, than with an allistic woman. Not only because internalized misogyny is a thing, but because patriarchy is a hierarchical system, that gives some women power over others, it makes them compliant.

      For me personally it means that despite all the bullshit men did to me, women were the ones, who deeply traumatized me over and over again. It means, that I will choose the people I trust not based on their gender, but based on their ability for critical thinking, personal growth and the power structures inside and outside of my relationship with them.

      #feminism #intersectionality #ActuallyAutistic

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      @KaCi
      .
      I was raised in a family where it was all about gender and feminism and men were bad and all that, I’m male - but I’m Autistic and gender wasn’t actually the binary that’s been killing me, it’s been neurotype. The NT women in my family were innocently punching up on my white male ass, we all thought, but turns out, it was less that than NT people who happened to be women punching down on me who happened to be male. 💜
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      #ActuallyAutistic #ND @autistics

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        @Tamtam @autoperipatetikos @KaCi
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        I think it’s spanking, the punishment cult that causes hate and othering - but that’s everywhere - so “default,” is close enough, since the punishment cult seems to be a default. 👍💜

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        • punishmenthurts@autistics.lifeP punishmenthurts@autistics.life

          @KaCi
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          I was raised in a family where it was all about gender and feminism and men were bad and all that, I’m male - but I’m Autistic and gender wasn’t actually the binary that’s been killing me, it’s been neurotype. The NT women in my family were innocently punching up on my white male ass, we all thought, but turns out, it was less that than NT people who happened to be women punching down on me who happened to be male. 💜
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          #ActuallyAutistic #ND @autistics

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          @KaCi @autistics
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          NT people punch down, men, women, even children.
          It’s Sapolsky’s deflection, passing the abuse on is how they feel better.
          .
          “Both men and women,” doesn’t mean it’s just everyone, it’s still a binary. I found a reason not to do that, not to unload on someone smaller, on anyone, I think I said it out loud to myself not long after puberty, I made a conscious, divergent and I guess stupid decision to absorb any abuse I took and not to abuse in turn. I didn’t know it was divergence, but it literally sure was. 💜🥹
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          No-one noticed, no-one believes, because that’s just not a thing to NT people, it has to be a lie in their minds, or at least they feel safer treating it that way (because some surely will be lying about it).
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          This is a case where their idea seems true, they are still baboons (I know, chimps, but Sapolsky did baboons) on the inside, they see a straight line, always this way, but what’s missing in that simple picture is me, us. Humanity couldn’t have had the long prehistory it does if we didn’t stop that baboon shit at some point and learn cooperation.
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          Them being this way now is a new adaptation again.
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          No-one thinks this but me, so grain of salt. 💜

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          • kaci@autistics.lifeK kaci@autistics.life

            @Newstrujew @DziadekMick
            Exactly. The perspectives of black women were extremly helpful and necessary for my understanding of intersectionality and my own feelings and experiences.

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            @KaCi @Newstrujew @DziadekMick this is the kyriarchy at work (I recently learned this term), where you can be oppressed by one facet, but get a relative privilege from another. Keeps us all split up because most people don’t think about the intersectionality of it.

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            • kaci@autistics.lifeK kaci@autistics.life

              As an autistic woman, who experienced SA herself and as an intersectional feminist, I reject the trope that most men are monsters, that men are inherently bad and women inherently good. This approach is the opposite of helpful, it’s highly problematic for all genders and leads to the terf, fascist, religious extremism pipeline.

              It’s not the gender, that corrupts people, it’s power.

              For that reason, Feminism and Anarchism are strongly intertwined. Because we are not talking about physical power here. If you can train a huge dog, that could kill you with a bite, not to touch his food until you allow him to do so, we as a society can teach men not to rape a woman during her sleep.

              The problem is, that we don’t do that. Living in patriarchy means, that a poor black girl has to take more responsibility and is held more accountable than a rich white man.

              Patriarchy limits men’s possibilities for personal growth, it makes most of them become weak cowards, who exploit women and are easy to control. That is why oppressors created this system in the first place. This is what intersectional feminists mean, when they say, that men suffer under patriarchy too.

              It also means, that not all women are safe for other women. As a marginalized, autistic woman, I might feel safer with an autistic man, than with an allistic woman. Not only because internalized misogyny is a thing, but because patriarchy is a hierarchical system, that gives some women power over others, it makes them compliant.

              For me personally it means that despite all the bullshit men did to me, women were the ones, who deeply traumatized me over and over again. It means, that I will choose the people I trust not based on their gender, but based on their ability for critical thinking, personal growth and the power structures inside and outside of my relationship with them.

              #feminism #intersectionality #ActuallyAutistic

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              @KaCi The #bonobo is sometimes cited as an example of what a female-dominant human society would be like. An inconvenient primatological fact: while the amiable bonobo is indeed female-dominant, so is the notoriously vicious #rhesus macaque. From the Wikipedia article about them:

              "Top-ranking female rhesus monkeys are known to sexually coerce unreceptive males and also physically injure them, biting off digits and damaging their genitals."

              Charming.

              Getting back to humans: I was physically abused as a child. The vast majority of it, and 100% of the worst of it, was done to me BY WOMEN with their own hands. That hasn't made me a misogynist, but it HAS made me skeptical, to say the least, of ideological fantasy panoramas of female-dominant utopias.

              Our ENTIRE SPECIES could use improvement.

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                @KaCi The #bonobo is sometimes cited as an example of what a female-dominant human society would be like. An inconvenient primatological fact: while the amiable bonobo is indeed female-dominant, so is the notoriously vicious #rhesus macaque. From the Wikipedia article about them:

                "Top-ranking female rhesus monkeys are known to sexually coerce unreceptive males and also physically injure them, biting off digits and damaging their genitals."

                Charming.

                Getting back to humans: I was physically abused as a child. The vast majority of it, and 100% of the worst of it, was done to me BY WOMEN with their own hands. That hasn't made me a misogynist, but it HAS made me skeptical, to say the least, of ideological fantasy panoramas of female-dominant utopias.

                Our ENTIRE SPECIES could use improvement.

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                @dedicto
                There's a difference between a matriarchy and women, who carry the intergenerational trauma of thousands of years in patriarchy though. In my post I am referring to the latter.

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