Let's remind everyone what a safe internet actually means.
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@Tutanota You keep using the word safer. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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A safer internet IS MADE BY
Encryption
Privacy
Open sourceA safer internet is NOT MADE BY
Age verification
Scanning communication
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@Tutanota You keep using the word safer. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Please get some more context if you want to discus that topic because such comments are not helping if your sentences are to vage.
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@Tutanota Just a note. Age verification is not mutually exclusive to everything that is on the safer column. If the real world has age requirements in some operations, it's acceptable that the digital world also has the same. Making the Internet lawless is what drives attacks on other liberties.
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@soderling No, it is not. Any digital service could query a digital gov ID just for age verification (yes/no signed key) and nothing else is stored in either side. A government audit can run on all users just to make sure they have those signed keys WITHOUT knowing who they are.
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@Tutanota why age verification is not safe? Internet should be 35+ only. Because it destroys brain tissues with cat pictures.
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@Tutanota why age verification is not safe? Internet should be 35+ only. Because it destroys brain tissues with cat pictures.
@rbuzz @Tutanota
because it is not make it clear what behave is good or bad. It is really not a all making safer thing than you will think of. It would be force to get more victims because of tabu that topic that has to be discus. Tabu this topics what will be unsafe for minors will get more victims and yes i mean also NSFW Content because that Content will get to people no matter what you will do. The other way around you have to guard minors actively not inactively like that verify stuff. -
@SuperDicq @Tutanota no. NOT free. Secure software is funded software that can afford to invest in a secure platform.
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@rbuzz @Tutanota
because it is not make it clear what behave is good or bad. It is really not a all making safer thing than you will think of. It would be force to get more victims because of tabu that topic that has to be discus. Tabu this topics what will be unsafe for minors will get more victims and yes i mean also NSFW Content because that Content will get to people no matter what you will do. The other way around you have to guard minors actively not inactively like that verify stuff.That cat pics your mentioning is because you are referencing Plattforms with Algorithms suggestions and this is made to force your behave to stick to that platform as much time as possible. That is a Dark Pattern and has to be banned from all Plattforms no matter if it is for adults or not. That Algorithms are the worst no matter which Plattform your metioning that using that and no matter if it is SFW or NSFW.
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@Tutanota the left column does not protect minors from AI Fake content, porn and violence. This is just the wrong sharepic for the conext
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@aubrey @soderling They can save it, it's pointless, it's just a valid age verification token. The critical point is the authentication system that by law and governance, would be made in a way where you only authorise an age verification not sharing private data with the digital service OR logging on the government side what site you're trying to use. There are more technical steps available for privacy like key pairs, blockchain, owning your data I would prefer first but it is possible.
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@aubrey @soderling They can save it, it's pointless, it's just a valid age verification token. The critical point is the authentication system that by law and governance, would be made in a way where you only authorise an age verification not sharing private data with the digital service OR logging on the government side what site you're trying to use. There are more technical steps available for privacy like key pairs, blockchain, owning your data I would prefer first but it is possible.
@gonun13 @soderling Well, then the government gives me a token for something. First, they know I requested a token at this time (which is also a privacy problem, but not that big). I give that token to the site I want to use, that is okay still. But then the government asks the site owner to give them all the users with all their tokens. Now the government can match the users with real people based on the tokens they gave out.
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Protecting your safety online starts here: https://tuta.com/blog/minimum-password-lengthI've been using KeePassXC for years and my default password length is 32 characters comprising A-Z, a-z, 0-9, and special characters...
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@Tutanota Besides.. Police already have the rights to go after pedos WHEN THEY HAVE WARRANT.
The essence here is that we remove probable cause, and we make everyone a suspect.
We used to be innocent until proven guilty. Now we have to prove our innocense.
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@Tutanota hello
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@gonun13 @soderling Well, then the government gives me a token for something. First, they know I requested a token at this time (which is also a privacy problem, but not that big). I give that token to the site I want to use, that is okay still. But then the government asks the site owner to give them all the users with all their tokens. Now the government can match the users with real people based on the tokens they gave out.
@aubrey @soderling That's not exactly the sequence. Service -> govID -> you authenticate with govID -> you share age verification with service -> they store a valid age verification token -> gov can check valid tokens not who made them (by law).
The are other conversations involved like anonymity vs privacy. Public vs private data. But it is technically possible, it's more on how we setup our digital legal governance. -
That second column isn't designed to make anything safer for the end user.
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@Tutanota Does your solution support open standards like POP/IMAP, allowing the end users to encrypt/decrypt/verify their messages EXTERNALLY? If it does not, please stop using the word "safe" and the name of your product in the same sentence.
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@Tutanota the left column does not protect minors from AI Fake content, porn and violence. This is just the wrong sharepic for the conext
@strigga_ @Tutanota
That is Stigmata what you are saying. You are correct on the 3rd but nut on the first 2. The First two has to be regulated and not to be banned. And i mean it also in context of minors. Because you are make it as a Tabu and this is violence the minors indirectly. This is Double Standard if you argument that censoring everything is a good way to protect minors because that will make more victims if that Topics are stigmatized by everyone. That will get more violence not less. -
@Tutanota Just a note. Age verification is not mutually exclusive to everything that is on the safer column. If the real world has age requirements in some operations, it's acceptable that the digital world also has the same. Making the Internet lawless is what drives attacks on other liberties.
@gonun13 You block legal porn sites, people will get to illegal porn sites full of potential malware. Or simply to torrents.
Age verification online solves absolutely nothing. Better education is the solution.
On the other hand, blocking social media is a double edged sword. 1: It might keep children safe from toxic behaviour; but they won't learn to recognise such behaviours once they are adults. But i guess once you are an adult you don't matter anymore? Hence, education is the solution.
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