The retrocomputing community is being overrun by LLM slop just like everywhere else.
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The retrocomputing community is being overrun by LLM slop just like everywhere else. Slopmongers hear about a system and immediately go to “Hurrrr, I’m going to vibe-code an emulator!” And then they start asking people who know what they’re doing inane questions that demonstrate they didn’t even do basic research, they’re letting the LLM do *everything* for them.
If you’re doing this, go fuck yourself. I mean it, get out. Find another hobby.
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The retrocomputing community is being overrun by LLM slop just like everywhere else. Slopmongers hear about a system and immediately go to “Hurrrr, I’m going to vibe-code an emulator!” And then they start asking people who know what they’re doing inane questions that demonstrate they didn’t even do basic research, they’re letting the LLM do *everything* for them.
If you’re doing this, go fuck yourself. I mean it, get out. Find another hobby.
@eschaton Yup. Perhaps the one silver lining for retro dev is there's no management enforcing AI use?
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The retrocomputing community is being overrun by LLM slop just like everywhere else. Slopmongers hear about a system and immediately go to “Hurrrr, I’m going to vibe-code an emulator!” And then they start asking people who know what they’re doing inane questions that demonstrate they didn’t even do basic research, they’re letting the LLM do *everything* for them.
If you’re doing this, go fuck yourself. I mean it, get out. Find another hobby.
@eschaton I think it's fine for you to not use LLMs and not want to, but I also think it's fine for people to use technology to explore technology in ways that you wouldn't and I want those people to come in and have a seat too.
You can kick those people out of your club if you want, but they're welcome in mine. What you can't do - IMO - is kick them out of our shared hobby.
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@eschaton I think it's fine for you to not use LLMs and not want to, but I also think it's fine for people to use technology to explore technology in ways that you wouldn't and I want those people to come in and have a seat too.
You can kick those people out of your club if you want, but they're welcome in mine. What you can't do - IMO - is kick them out of our shared hobby.
@peterb I don’t want slopmongers anywhere near me, their presence is actively harmful.
They’re not using LLMs to “explore technology,” they’re using LLMs so they can say they’ve “done a thing” without actually doing the thing. They wind up sucking all the oxygen out.
It’s the same problem as the webshits who jumped into mobile and then desktop development, and immediately turned it into giant steaming piles of JavaScript and HTML. Things would be better if they had been run off.
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@peterb I don’t want slopmongers anywhere near me, their presence is actively harmful.
They’re not using LLMs to “explore technology,” they’re using LLMs so they can say they’ve “done a thing” without actually doing the thing. They wind up sucking all the oxygen out.
It’s the same problem as the webshits who jumped into mobile and then desktop development, and immediately turned it into giant steaming piles of JavaScript and HTML. Things would be better if they had been run off.
@peterb And then there’s the whole problem of copyright infringement and license violation, where LLM tools just spit out code without regard to where they picked it up or what license it was originally under, and the idiots using these tools believe that this is perfectly OK. I’ve seen someone take credit for code obviously copied from a GPL’d part of SIMH.
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@peterb And then there’s the whole problem of copyright infringement and license violation, where LLM tools just spit out code without regard to where they picked it up or what license it was originally under, and the idiots using these tools believe that this is perfectly OK. I’ve seen someone take credit for code obviously copied from a GPL’d part of SIMH.
@peterb If someone started making AI-generated YouTube videos that were blatant copies of your work, would you be OK with that?
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@peterb If someone started making AI-generated YouTube videos that were blatant copies of your work, would you be OK with that?
@eschaton Like I said, you can feel however you want to feel, but I think telling people to GFT because they're using a tool you dislike isn't great.
I think there are people using these technologies for all sorts of reasons, some bad, some good. I find the idea that we're going to just pretend they're all thieves building NFTs to be overwrought.
I think we should judge people based on what they do, not what tools they use. If someone is passing off your work as theirs? By all means call them out on it. If someone is using a tool you hate to learn things that you aren't teaching them? Good for them, and you telling them to fuck off isn't right, and isn't ok.
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The retrocomputing community is being overrun by LLM slop just like everywhere else. Slopmongers hear about a system and immediately go to “Hurrrr, I’m going to vibe-code an emulator!” And then they start asking people who know what they’re doing inane questions that demonstrate they didn’t even do basic research, they’re letting the LLM do *everything* for them.
If you’re doing this, go fuck yourself. I mean it, get out. Find another hobby.
@eschaton Also, composing music.
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The retrocomputing community is being overrun by LLM slop just like everywhere else. Slopmongers hear about a system and immediately go to “Hurrrr, I’m going to vibe-code an emulator!” And then they start asking people who know what they’re doing inane questions that demonstrate they didn’t even do basic research, they’re letting the LLM do *everything* for them.
If you’re doing this, go fuck yourself. I mean it, get out. Find another hobby.
@eschaton Them: 'Nooo! You are gatekeeping that hobby!'
Hobby user: 'No. We only ask that you do the due diligence and research things. A hobby is nice because it lets you use the brain on something you enjoy '
Them: 'SEE! GATEKEEPING!!' -
@eschaton Like I said, you can feel however you want to feel, but I think telling people to GFT because they're using a tool you dislike isn't great.
I think there are people using these technologies for all sorts of reasons, some bad, some good. I find the idea that we're going to just pretend they're all thieves building NFTs to be overwrought.
I think we should judge people based on what they do, not what tools they use. If someone is passing off your work as theirs? By all means call them out on it. If someone is using a tool you hate to learn things that you aren't teaching them? Good for them, and you telling them to fuck off isn't right, and isn't ok.
@peterb Is someone using a tool that inherently harms others? I’ll judge them for that too. Tools are not always values-neutral.
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The retrocomputing community is being overrun by LLM slop just like everywhere else. Slopmongers hear about a system and immediately go to “Hurrrr, I’m going to vibe-code an emulator!” And then they start asking people who know what they’re doing inane questions that demonstrate they didn’t even do basic research, they’re letting the LLM do *everything* for them.
If you’re doing this, go fuck yourself. I mean it, get out. Find another hobby.
@eschaton Someone I know is currently using LLMs to fix old games and make them user-modifiable: adding 3dfx/glide support to Descent for DOS and making testdrive3 work on fast computers and have custom cars and stuff. It works.
I am appreciative of the end goals, but very much not of the way he's getting there. I cannot imagine how many tokens have been burned - or should I say trees and cubic metres of water?
I won't touch the result with any kind of stick, no matter how cool the end result is (seen in total isolation). -
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