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  3. #TIL hashtags in #ActivityPub are diacritic agnostic, so #vélo and #velo are the same :)

#TIL hashtags in #ActivityPub are diacritic agnostic, so #vélo and #velo are the same :)

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  • mdione@en.osm.townM mdione@en.osm.town

    @richlv yes, this was in the context of me wanting to write HTvélo and Masto offering HTvelo.

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    @mdione @richlv

    Hmmm, I wonder: diacritic... in whose opinion? Anglophones consider Ñ an N with a diacritic. Hispanophones consider Ñ its own distinct letter.

    Let me try #español & see what happens

    #ActivityPub #Hashtag

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      @mdione @richlv

      Hmmm, I wonder: diacritic... in whose opinion? Anglophones consider Ñ an N with a diacritic. Hispanophones consider Ñ its own distinct letter.

      Let me try #español & see what happens

      #ActivityPub #Hashtag

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      @mdione @richlv

      It seems #ActivityPub (or at least #Mastodon ) treats n & ñ the same in hashtags

      #Hashtag

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      • klu9@ohai.socialK klu9@ohai.social

        @mdione @richlv

        It seems #ActivityPub (or at least #Mastodon ) treats n & ñ the same in hashtags

        #Hashtag

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        @klu9 @richlv yes, because from a computer point of view, a ñ is a n with a ~ diacritic 🙂

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        • klu9@ohai.socialK klu9@ohai.social

          @mdione @richlv

          Hmmm, I wonder: diacritic... in whose opinion? Anglophones consider Ñ an N with a diacritic. Hispanophones consider Ñ its own distinct letter.

          Let me try #español & see what happens

          #ActivityPub #Hashtag

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          @klu9 @mdione Diacritic technically is the additional marking.
          Often shortened to mean "a character with a diacritic".
          Such letters often are considered separate letters on their own (like Latvian āšņūžčēļī etc), but they can still be recognised as "a with a diacritic mark on top of it".

          As in, yes, agreed, and these concepts are not opposite, they don't contradict one another 🙂

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          • richlv@mastodon.socialR richlv@mastodon.social

            @klu9 @mdione Diacritic technically is the additional marking.
            Often shortened to mean "a character with a diacritic".
            Such letters often are considered separate letters on their own (like Latvian āšņūžčēļī etc), but they can still be recognised as "a with a diacritic mark on top of it".

            As in, yes, agreed, and these concepts are not opposite, they don't contradict one another 🙂

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            @richlv @mdione

            Although I've yet to find a computing system that treats J as "just an I with a swash at the bottom".

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swash_(typography)

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            • richlv@mastodon.socialR richlv@mastodon.social

              @klu9 @mdione Diacritic technically is the additional marking.
              Often shortened to mean "a character with a diacritic".
              Such letters often are considered separate letters on their own (like Latvian āšņūžčēļī etc), but they can still be recognised as "a with a diacritic mark on top of it".

              As in, yes, agreed, and these concepts are not opposite, they don't contradict one another 🙂

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              @richlv @klu9 I wonder č and ā have their own names (like "eñe", which becomes a different name because it's pronounced differently from "ene") or are just "letter with diacritic". I have the impression that č is, but ā is not.

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              • mdione@en.osm.townM mdione@en.osm.town

                @richlv @klu9 I wonder č and ā have their own names (like "eñe", which becomes a different name because it's pronounced differently from "ene") or are just "letter with diacritic". I have the impression that č is, but ā is not.

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                @mdione @klu9 Not sure I got the question/topic, could you please clarify?

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                • richlv@mastodon.socialR richlv@mastodon.social

                  @mdione @klu9 Not sure I got the question/topic, could you please clarify?

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                  @richlv @klu9 this makes no sense, but:

                  * ñ is considered a whole Spanish letter, has it's own name and sound.
                  * á is not, it's even pronounced just like a, but the diacritic changes where you stress the word.
                  * ch and ll used to be their own letters (and places in the alphabet), but no more. But they have their own sound. They're spelled as c+h and l+l.

                  So the question was whether č is considered another letter o just a c with a ˇ, even if it has it's own sound; same for ā.

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                  • mdione@en.osm.townM mdione@en.osm.town

                    @richlv @klu9 this makes no sense, but:

                    * ñ is considered a whole Spanish letter, has it's own name and sound.
                    * á is not, it's even pronounced just like a, but the diacritic changes where you stress the word.
                    * ch and ll used to be their own letters (and places in the alphabet), but no more. But they have their own sound. They're spelled as c+h and l+l.

                    So the question was whether č is considered another letter o just a c with a ˇ, even if it has it's own sound; same for ā.

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                    @mdione @klu9 Ah, got it. I think I got it. We don't have special names for letters with diacritics, so that was a bit confusing 🙂

                    So "ā" is "long a", "č" is "soft c" etc.

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                    • richlv@mastodon.socialR richlv@mastodon.social

                      @mdione @klu9 Ah, got it. I think I got it. We don't have special names for letters with diacritics, so that was a bit confusing 🙂

                      So "ā" is "long a", "č" is "soft c" etc.

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                      @richlv @klu9 ok, define "soft', because once I tried two ucranians to teach me Ь and they just kept repeating "soft" 🙂

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