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“Most people seem to have no idea he’s wearing anything other than normal eyeglasses.”

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  • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

    @futurebird me neither but I am sure as hell on the lookout for them now

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    @urlyman @futurebird This might be useful.

    https://github.com/yjeanrenaud/yj_nearbyglasses

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    • jackeric@beige.partyJ jackeric@beige.party

      @hydropsyche @AbramKedge @urlyman see also Andrew Hutchison, a nurse, caught taking photos in a sports centre changing room leading to discovery of more photos of serial abuse he committed at the hospital

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      @jackeric @hydropsyche @AbramKedge @urlyman

      Amazon sells stickers meant to cover up the LED light on the Ray Bans. 😡

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      • photo55@mastodon.socialP photo55@mastodon.social

        @urlyman it does not. You may consider it as a line of progression, but it is not an identity.
        Also, assault is assault. Taking photographs or movies may be an invasion of privacy, can be ill-mannered, might be a tort, could be part of a crime.
        But is not assault. That's a well-understood word which has particular careful usage which needs preserving.

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        @Photo55 @urlyman yes, photography, or the threat of photography that could cause distress to the subject, can be assault.
        Assault is the threat of violence, not the violence itself. You’re thinking of battery.

        Many people are convicted of assault without ever hitting anyone.

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        • mywoolymastadon@toot.communityM mywoolymastadon@toot.community

          @jackeric @hydropsyche @AbramKedge @urlyman

          Amazon sells stickers meant to cover up the LED light on the Ray Bans. 😡

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          @MyWoolyMastadon @jackeric @hydropsyche @urlyman that's disappointing. This guy complained that he was unable to cover the light without stopping the camera working, so I thought that the manufacturer had at least an iota of morality.

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          • photo55@mastodon.socialP photo55@mastodon.social

            @urlyman
            spanners may be used to hit people on the head.
            But if your wheel needs changing you'd regret the weapon being banned.

            People commit assaults, other indiscretions, torts, crimes.
            Machines, as yet, do not.

            My daughter's use case - steady recording ahead from atop a horse - seems rather a good one.

            Possibly the frames should be orange stripes or some such.

            #photography

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            @Photo55 @urlyman

            your daughter's use case appears to be white-washing the destruction of privacy & the ability of others, including victims of domestic violence, to go out in public without being spied upon

            let's be real, she does not need to be "steady recording from atop a horse" unless she's a f'n police officer & from her uniform & position we members of the public already know she's a f'n instrument of the state

            sheesh people, this ain't rocket science, it's human decency

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            • peachfront@toot.communityP peachfront@toot.community

              @Photo55 @urlyman

              your daughter's use case appears to be white-washing the destruction of privacy & the ability of others, including victims of domestic violence, to go out in public without being spied upon

              let's be real, she does not need to be "steady recording from atop a horse" unless she's a f'n police officer & from her uniform & position we members of the public already know she's a f'n instrument of the state

              sheesh people, this ain't rocket science, it's human decency

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              @peachfront @urlyman
              Are you actually well?

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              • rachel@norfolk.socialR rachel@norfolk.social

                @Photo55 @urlyman yes, photography, or the threat of photography that could cause distress to the subject, can be assault.
                Assault is the threat of violence, not the violence itself. You’re thinking of battery.

                Many people are convicted of assault without ever hitting anyone.

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                @rachel @urlyman
                I of course believe anything you tell me.
                Except that violence means recording the appearance of someone.

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                  @neonsnake @urlyman
                  I agree about that.
                  Locally, if one were carrying a spanner along the pavement, one might be asked to explain why.
                  The same could reasonably be applied to the camera-equipped eyewear, possibly involving some rather carefully-drafted primary legislation, although I suspect that's unfeasibly hard.

                  But the problem recently complained of is _behaviour_, and there is law already about attributing images and speech to people hence the difference between street photo and advert.

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                    @neonsnake @urlyman
                    Meta, BTW, are well-known to be vile and pleased by it.
                    Bad people do bad things.
                    Good people much less often, and usually less bad things.

                    Look to the other crimes of the bad people, not focus on equipment.

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                    • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

                      @Photo55 my post is a polemic, a metaphor. I make no apology for it.

                      I also tend to think that Go-Pros on cycle helmets are a bad idea

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                      @urlyman oh well, that's all right then, as would be any consequences to others.

                      Metaphor?
                      I'm recall someone claiming that a fork is a metaphor. For a fork.
                      It didn't seem to me a useful use of language. #metaphork

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                      • photo55@mastodon.socialP photo55@mastodon.social

                        @urlyman oh well, that's all right then, as would be any consequences to others.

                        Metaphor?
                        I'm recall someone claiming that a fork is a metaphor. For a fork.
                        It didn't seem to me a useful use of language. #metaphork

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                        @Photo55 We disagree. My choice of word is multi-layered. You don’t like it. That’s fine

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                        • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

                          @Photo55 We disagree. My choice of word is multi-layered. You don’t like it. That’s fine

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                          @urlyman ah yes. Alice in Wonderland covered that.

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                          • photo55@mastodon.socialP photo55@mastodon.social

                            @rachel @urlyman
                            I of course believe anything you tell me.
                            Except that violence means recording the appearance of someone.

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                            @Photo55 @urlyman more a case of context, as is always the case.
                            Photography in a public place, fair enough (and, indeed, protected in law). Photography likely to create a fear of harm, such as taking video of someone where they would normally expect privacy, is assault. Always has been.

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                            • rachel@norfolk.socialR rachel@norfolk.social

                              @Photo55 @urlyman more a case of context, as is always the case.
                              Photography in a public place, fair enough (and, indeed, protected in law). Photography likely to create a fear of harm, such as taking video of someone where they would normally expect privacy, is assault. Always has been.

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                              @rachel @urlyman but covert photography with a concealed device is the opposite of deliberately creating fear, isn't it.

                              There are other laws, which are accurately applicable, and less confusionable.

                              Here.

                              "See this spanner, I'm going to hit you with it unless you {do thing: refrain from assaulting me with contrary opinions?? 😉 }" is assault, or may be - IANAL - but "{silence}" {invisible spanner} {absence of condition} might be many bad things, but doesn't seem to be assault.

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                                @neonsnake
                                #Photography : are you old enough to remember #TLR s?
                                But yes, street photographers have tended to use 35mm range finder cameras before the #SLR was common, and after.
                                And plate cameras before that. Almost as conspicuous as a painter.

                                If asked what they are doing, saying "Art" seems to still go down quite well, as well as being true.

                                Round here people are slightly interested and moderately helpful. As one should be.
                                In Yangon, in the happy gap, they were rather pleased. #people

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                                • photo55@mastodon.socialP photo55@mastodon.social

                                  @rachel @urlyman but covert photography with a concealed device is the opposite of deliberately creating fear, isn't it.

                                  There are other laws, which are accurately applicable, and less confusionable.

                                  Here.

                                  "See this spanner, I'm going to hit you with it unless you {do thing: refrain from assaulting me with contrary opinions?? 😉 }" is assault, or may be - IANAL - but "{silence}" {invisible spanner} {absence of condition} might be many bad things, but doesn't seem to be assault.

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                                  @Photo55 @urlyman I guess the only way we will know if if it ends up in court and, to be honest, I hope it never needs to be

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                                  • rachel@norfolk.socialR rachel@norfolk.social

                                    @Photo55 @urlyman I guess the only way we will know if if it ends up in court and, to be honest, I hope it never needs to be

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                                    @rachel @urlyman I'd suggest chasing them for other crimes and torts.
                                    Or decide their conduct has disturbed the peace and hit them with the spanner. (This is not legal advice, but if Police find themselves involved that Common Law offence might well be deployed. Not spanners though.)

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                                      @neonsnake I have an inherited TLR but have never taken a photo with it.
                                      Of modern cameras the ones with hinged rear screens can be hung in a similar way. I prefer to hold it up, generally.
                                      Street isn't really my thing, but there's occasionally something.

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                                      (photo.defoam.net)

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                                        @neonsnake I have lots of bad ones ;(
                                        That last one was a careful lining up on Queen St at the end of lockdown, and then that processionary interaction happened. Unplanned, not really even waiting for a significant moment, but it arrived!

                                        Myanmar was too hot for me to be clever. Visiting family.

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                                        • photo55@mastodon.socialP photo55@mastodon.social

                                          @urlyman (not very different from a GoPro on one's cycling helmet, actually. And on that, I don't really like hard objects on protective hats, which can be force concentrators. Burying it in the shell could be safer.)

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                                          @Photo55 @urlyman so you don't think that the generally-pretty-visible nature of GoPro cameras mounted on helmets makes them fundamentally different to a camera surreptitiously embedded in glasses frames?

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