it’s very easy to dunk on liquid glass for looking like shit and being inaccessible trash but now that I’ve been forced onto a new version of iOS and have first-hand experience with it, I feel it’s important to tell the truth:
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(I submitted the previous post too early because of liquid glass jank!)
maybe when we see a company like Apple capitulate to fascists in front of our own eyes and fuck up on security (the exploit kit that pushed me onto liquid glass) we shouldn’t reward any of that?
and like, you can punish Apple without leaving their ecosystem if you must stay. I get it. buy a used device. they’ll fucking hate if you buy a used macbook and it’s better and cheaper than the neo.
@zzt I repaired my old Macbook Pro just because SSD prices were going up.
Neo may hit a sweet spot for people, unfortunately. I think the way to really punish Apple is to leave the plantation with what you've got.
You need (or want) iMovie? Keep using it on that old hardware.
Upgrading just puts you back on the never ending treadmill.
You need to get off.
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(I submitted the previous post too early because of liquid glass jank!)
maybe when we see a company like Apple capitulate to fascists in front of our own eyes and fuck up on security (the exploit kit that pushed me onto liquid glass) we shouldn’t reward any of that?
and like, you can punish Apple without leaving their ecosystem if you must stay. I get it. buy a used device. they’ll fucking hate if you buy a used macbook and it’s better and cheaper than the neo.
@zzt I liked The Verge's comparison: right now a MacBook Air M5 has as much punch as a MacBook Pro M1 Pro at the moment. So if a MacBook Pro M1/M2 Pro catches your eye, $700 used may be tempting. Yes, there is a shot that they'll leave Apple's OS Upgrade soon, but even then if you get one today, it likely has another 4 years of security updates before it is fully put to pasture.
So if you see a used MacBook Pro from any year back than the current (14" and 16" sold from 2021 forward) remember: every dollar of it isn't going back to Apple, that is unless you buy their refurbs or an authorized suppliers.
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@zzt yes they'll fucking hate you for buying used but they'll also cut support for it so soon you'll regret it.
just get a fucking linux laptop, it'll be easier.
@dysfun @zzt They actually won't hate if you buy used because it weds you to the platform if you are the kind of person who actually upgrades.
The key is to get off the upgrade treadmill.
If you treat it like an iPod that you just *use*? Yeah, then you'll see articles like these: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/23/how-device-hoarding-by-americans-is-costing-economy.html
Be that person.
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@dysfun @zzt They actually won't hate if you buy used because it weds you to the platform if you are the kind of person who actually upgrades.
The key is to get off the upgrade treadmill.
If you treat it like an iPod that you just *use*? Yeah, then you'll see articles like these: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/23/how-device-hoarding-by-americans-is-costing-economy.html
Be that person.
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(I submitted the previous post too early because of liquid glass jank!)
maybe when we see a company like Apple capitulate to fascists in front of our own eyes and fuck up on security (the exploit kit that pushed me onto liquid glass) we shouldn’t reward any of that?
and like, you can punish Apple without leaving their ecosystem if you must stay. I get it. buy a used device. they’ll fucking hate if you buy a used macbook and it’s better and cheaper than the neo.
@zzt what if I wait a few years and buy a used neo
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@dysfun @zzt They actually won't hate if you buy used because it weds you to the platform if you are the kind of person who actually upgrades.
The key is to get off the upgrade treadmill.
If you treat it like an iPod that you just *use*? Yeah, then you'll see articles like these: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/23/how-device-hoarding-by-americans-is-costing-economy.html
Be that person.
@yoasif @dysfun @zzt That fucking article... RAMpocalypse, the rise of the surveillance state, soaring prices, uncertain market conditions, manufacturers cutting back on production... But no, it's our fault we're not buying $2,399 laptops and PCs with the same fervor of similar machines that cost $1,199 not even A YEAR AGO.
May as well made the headline "Computers are going away because poor people ruined the marketplace." That's how they regard all of it. Trump notwithstanding (you didn't vote for him I can only hope) the implication that AI and billionaire mergers are both still we the people's fault somehow.
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@dysfun @zzt Not really - I'm thinking about it like industrial machinery - like the computers attached to medical equipment or computerized lathes, or nuclear reactors.
If you remain on internet connected apps, you are undoubtedly on the upgrade treadmill, so my suggestion won't work.
From a user perspective, iMovie keeps working even if I can't upload the resulting video to the web.
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@dysfun @zzt Not really - I'm thinking about it like industrial machinery - like the computers attached to medical equipment or computerized lathes, or nuclear reactors.
If you remain on internet connected apps, you are undoubtedly on the upgrade treadmill, so my suggestion won't work.
From a user perspective, iMovie keeps working even if I can't upload the resulting video to the web.
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@dysfun @zzt I have #retrocomputing in my bio and we're specifically talking about punishing Apple.
Being a git sometimes means suffering for it.
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@dysfun @zzt I have #retrocomputing in my bio and we're specifically talking about punishing Apple.
Being a git sometimes means suffering for it.
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