it’s very easy to dunk on liquid glass for looking like shit and being inaccessible trash but now that I’ve been forced onto a new version of iOS and have first-hand experience with it, I feel it’s important to tell the truth:
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(I submitted the previous post too early because of liquid glass jank!)
maybe when we see a company like Apple capitulate to fascists in front of our own eyes and fuck up on security (the exploit kit that pushed me onto liquid glass) we shouldn’t reward any of that?
and like, you can punish Apple without leaving their ecosystem if you must stay. I get it. buy a used device. they’ll fucking hate if you buy a used macbook and it’s better and cheaper than the neo.
@zzt what if I wait a few years and buy a used neo
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@dysfun @zzt They actually won't hate if you buy used because it weds you to the platform if you are the kind of person who actually upgrades.
The key is to get off the upgrade treadmill.
If you treat it like an iPod that you just *use*? Yeah, then you'll see articles like these: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/23/how-device-hoarding-by-americans-is-costing-economy.html
Be that person.
@yoasif @dysfun @zzt That fucking article... RAMpocalypse, the rise of the surveillance state, soaring prices, uncertain market conditions, manufacturers cutting back on production... But no, it's our fault we're not buying $2,399 laptops and PCs with the same fervor of similar machines that cost $1,199 not even A YEAR AGO.
May as well made the headline "Computers are going away because poor people ruined the marketplace." That's how they regard all of it. Trump notwithstanding (you didn't vote for him I can only hope) the implication that AI and billionaire mergers are both still we the people's fault somehow.
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@dysfun @zzt Not really - I'm thinking about it like industrial machinery - like the computers attached to medical equipment or computerized lathes, or nuclear reactors.
If you remain on internet connected apps, you are undoubtedly on the upgrade treadmill, so my suggestion won't work.
From a user perspective, iMovie keeps working even if I can't upload the resulting video to the web.
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@dysfun @zzt Not really - I'm thinking about it like industrial machinery - like the computers attached to medical equipment or computerized lathes, or nuclear reactors.
If you remain on internet connected apps, you are undoubtedly on the upgrade treadmill, so my suggestion won't work.
From a user perspective, iMovie keeps working even if I can't upload the resulting video to the web.
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@dysfun @zzt I have #retrocomputing in my bio and we're specifically talking about punishing Apple.
Being a git sometimes means suffering for it.
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@dysfun @zzt I have #retrocomputing in my bio and we're specifically talking about punishing Apple.
Being a git sometimes means suffering for it.
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nah I must just be a hater
all I see when I look at this dreadful fucking UI is the big boy trophy they gave that fucker when they capitulated
and you want me to clap when they do things that increase their share price
we’re on iOS 26.4 but the UI still renders a corrupted layout sometimes when I unlock my phone and after animations play and notifications cause UI elements to reorder for a split second (see the above accidental post)???? has anyone checked to see if any of the “of course it sucks, new iOS versions are like that” guys have posted a correction? no? they’re all posting thonkpieces about how the neo is a computing revolution along the lines of the Commodore 64 but also it’s not for me????? weird
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we’re on iOS 26.4 but the UI still renders a corrupted layout sometimes when I unlock my phone and after animations play and notifications cause UI elements to reorder for a split second (see the above accidental post)???? has anyone checked to see if any of the “of course it sucks, new iOS versions are like that” guys have posted a correction? no? they’re all posting thonkpieces about how the neo is a computing revolution along the lines of the Commodore 64 but also it’s not for me????? weird
also I still cannot get over how the new CarPlay UI made everything I use CarPlay for harder
the “go home” button is gone because now I guess I want to scroll a dreadful list of nearby food or gas or whatever?
app switching is fucking tiny for no reason
if I want to “end route” in maps, a thing I do constantly because maps can’t ever tell when I arrive (self-driving any day now I’m sure) I now have to swipe up on my arrival time (what) and tap a tiny end route button
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@becomethewaifu I’ll give it a closer look later! switching to “tinted” disabled that setting for reasons that I can only imagine are Apple being lazy, but I should switch back and see if it makes any of this feel better
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also I still cannot get over how the new CarPlay UI made everything I use CarPlay for harder
the “go home” button is gone because now I guess I want to scroll a dreadful list of nearby food or gas or whatever?
app switching is fucking tiny for no reason
if I want to “end route” in maps, a thing I do constantly because maps can’t ever tell when I arrive (self-driving any day now I’m sure) I now have to swipe up on my arrival time (what) and tap a tiny end route button
sometimes the iMessage send button just glows instead of sending the message and I have to tap it again??
like I get it probably wants me to open the context menu I never use but like, I’ve tapped that button a lot and it never had this bug before and now it just keeps happening
oh dear fuck I opened the context menu and it can’t be closed by tapping the background, you have to find the tiny little close button and tap that or else you’re trapped
believe it or not Apple I don’t use these
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sometimes the iMessage send button just glows instead of sending the message and I have to tap it again??
like I get it probably wants me to open the context menu I never use but like, I’ve tapped that button a lot and it never had this bug before and now it just keeps happening
oh dear fuck I opened the context menu and it can’t be closed by tapping the background, you have to find the tiny little close button and tap that or else you’re trapped
believe it or not Apple I don’t use these
@zzt I remember Apple used to design for the 90% of users — as in, what would work for most all people most of the time? Sometimes, still, this is annoying to nerdier “power” users because things can’t be customized; it’s Apple’s way or the highway.
But this aspirational simplicity is at odds with [market demands / “innovation” / upgrade cycle / enshittification].
I’m not saying anything new here, but I hear you and I feel this all over the place — UI elements that used to be simple, as in they worked one way consistently (like a SEND button), thus lower cognitive load, low friction. But now many times a day while attempting tasks that were simple muscle memory, now it’s “are you sure?” and “oops we renamed that” and “haha we changed the entire conceptual model so good luck GTFO!”
I don’t know if Linux is any better but I swear I’m almost ready to try it.
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@becomethewaifu @zzt I scrolled to see if someone left this suggestion; this is what I do to handle it. Both in iOS and MacOS, it mostly handled issues I have with liquid glass and I basically forget about it altogether.
Hopefully this trick works better, cuz I too was very disappointed with the “tinted” setting.
I don’t expect this joke of a design system to stick around after 26, I am hoping they intend to just bury it, with the main director who forced this shit moving on to another role.
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@zzt I remember Apple used to design for the 90% of users — as in, what would work for most all people most of the time? Sometimes, still, this is annoying to nerdier “power” users because things can’t be customized; it’s Apple’s way or the highway.
But this aspirational simplicity is at odds with [market demands / “innovation” / upgrade cycle / enshittification].
I’m not saying anything new here, but I hear you and I feel this all over the place — UI elements that used to be simple, as in they worked one way consistently (like a SEND button), thus lower cognitive load, low friction. But now many times a day while attempting tasks that were simple muscle memory, now it’s “are you sure?” and “oops we renamed that” and “haha we changed the entire conceptual model so good luck GTFO!”
I don’t know if Linux is any better but I swear I’m almost ready to try it.
@scott I agree but it’s important to note that the cognitive load isn’t the problem in this instance, I’m used to the message send button having this context menu attached that I don’t use
it’s currently failing in its purpose of reliably allowing me to send messages in a way it never has before
the UI it pulls up feels broken because I’m used to dismissing menus by tapping in the background (maybe that was the case before but it’s sloppy)
the mechanism that hid the complexity is broken
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@zzt I remember Apple used to design for the 90% of users — as in, what would work for most all people most of the time? Sometimes, still, this is annoying to nerdier “power” users because things can’t be customized; it’s Apple’s way or the highway.
But this aspirational simplicity is at odds with [market demands / “innovation” / upgrade cycle / enshittification].
I’m not saying anything new here, but I hear you and I feel this all over the place — UI elements that used to be simple, as in they worked one way consistently (like a SEND button), thus lower cognitive load, low friction. But now many times a day while attempting tasks that were simple muscle memory, now it’s “are you sure?” and “oops we renamed that” and “haha we changed the entire conceptual model so good luck GTFO!”
I don’t know if Linux is any better but I swear I’m almost ready to try it.
@scott @zzt it's much better, trust me. That 90% thing you were talking about? The only place that still happens is Linux. It's what's great about the distributed open source model - you chose a distro that's made by users with similar use cases to you, and since they're using it the same way you do, most changes make it more usable, not less.
