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So, the Epstein files are "start a war with Iran" bad

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  • michelestrider@mastodon.socialM michelestrider@mastodon.social

    So, the Epstein files are "start a war with Iran" bad

    okuna@social.tchncs.deO This user is from outside of this forum
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    @michelestrider I strongly believe that he thinks, that now, eventually, he deserves the Nobel Peace Price, bombing Iran.
    Reality Distortion Field

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    • okuna@social.tchncs.deO okuna@social.tchncs.de

      @crazyeddie @michelestrider NO.
      So far there is no evidence that he raped an underage girl. There is an accusation he did, but innocent until proven guilty.
      Even for him.
      Or my English is too bad and I dont understand what you say…
      Politicians love to say: If you have nothing to hide…
      Well then, DJT, if you have nothing to hide…
      I would expect if it became public he did, his approval rates would rise, at least in the MAGA area.

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      @Okuna @michelestrider I find it odd that you'd say there's no evidence and then point out part of that evidence in the next sentence, but whatever.

      I stand corrected I guess?

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      • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

        @Okuna @michelestrider I find it odd that you'd say there's no evidence and then point out part of that evidence in the next sentence, but whatever.

        I stand corrected I guess?

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        @crazyeddie @michelestrider english is not my native language. Where did I show evidence? In my books, an accusation is not evidence.

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        • okuna@social.tchncs.deO okuna@social.tchncs.de

          @crazyeddie @michelestrider english is not my native language. Where did I show evidence? In my books, an accusation is not evidence.

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          @Okuna @michelestrider In case you're actually being honest here (usually someone that doesn't know english doesn't go telling native speakers they're doing it wrong, but whatever):

          You're conflating conviction and evidence. An accusation, especially one given to police during an investigation, is generally seen as evidence a crime took place. A conviction is a different matter.

          And I don't actually have to give a shit about any of that because I'm not the fucking court system.

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          • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

            @Okuna @michelestrider In case you're actually being honest here (usually someone that doesn't know english doesn't go telling native speakers they're doing it wrong, but whatever):

            You're conflating conviction and evidence. An accusation, especially one given to police during an investigation, is generally seen as evidence a crime took place. A conviction is a different matter.

            And I don't actually have to give a shit about any of that because I'm not the fucking court system.

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            @crazyeddie @michelestrider
            I am serious and honest. I know english but I am not a native speaker. So I challenge my own understanding and account for the fact, that I learnt something wrong or I remember it wrong.
            I did not want to tell you, your english is wrong. If this came across, I apologize.

            Conviction to me is if a court has ruled. Evidence is proof that something happened. Needed for conviction but proof not always leads to a conviction, I think.
            An accusation given to the police for me is not evidence. People accuse others at the police and lie sometimes. It is an accusation the police has to look into and find out if the accusation is correct or not. If it is correct, in my books it is evidence.
            I do give a shit, else the western legal system is useless.

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            • michelestrider@mastodon.socialM michelestrider@mastodon.social

              So, the Epstein files are "start a war with Iran" bad

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              @michelestrider Next stop: No elections again, ever

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              • okuna@social.tchncs.deO okuna@social.tchncs.de

                @crazyeddie @michelestrider
                I am serious and honest. I know english but I am not a native speaker. So I challenge my own understanding and account for the fact, that I learnt something wrong or I remember it wrong.
                I did not want to tell you, your english is wrong. If this came across, I apologize.

                Conviction to me is if a court has ruled. Evidence is proof that something happened. Needed for conviction but proof not always leads to a conviction, I think.
                An accusation given to the police for me is not evidence. People accuse others at the police and lie sometimes. It is an accusation the police has to look into and find out if the accusation is correct or not. If it is correct, in my books it is evidence.
                I do give a shit, else the western legal system is useless.

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                @Okuna @michelestrider You're again wrong about the word "evidence". I'm almost certain you are being dishonest here.

                An accusation is evidence. If it's *credible enough* evidence it might even be used as such in court. Or it may be discounted by other evidence and then it's no longer evidence of that crime but of another possibly.

                Was it credible?

                * Investigators are said to have thought so.
                * It was removed from the *EVIDENCE*

                That's enough for me for now.

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                • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

                  @Okuna @michelestrider You're again wrong about the word "evidence". I'm almost certain you are being dishonest here.

                  An accusation is evidence. If it's *credible enough* evidence it might even be used as such in court. Or it may be discounted by other evidence and then it's no longer evidence of that crime but of another possibly.

                  Was it credible?

                  * Investigators are said to have thought so.
                  * It was removed from the *EVIDENCE*

                  That's enough for me for now.

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                  @crazyeddie @michelestrider If I am dishonest dont answer.
                  Webster Dictionary about accusation:
                  -a charge of wrongdoing
                  The evidence confirms the accusations made against him.
                  The evidence confirms the accusation which means an accusation is not necessarily evidence.
                  in the U. S. legal system, there's a big difference between an accusation and evidence:

                  Accusation:
                  An accusation is a claim that someone has done something wrong or illegal.
                  Evidence is the proof (or attempted proof) used to support or disprove an accusation.
                  I stop my case, it is useless to discuss with you.

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                  • okuna@social.tchncs.deO okuna@social.tchncs.de

                    @crazyeddie @michelestrider If I am dishonest dont answer.
                    Webster Dictionary about accusation:
                    -a charge of wrongdoing
                    The evidence confirms the accusations made against him.
                    The evidence confirms the accusation which means an accusation is not necessarily evidence.
                    in the U. S. legal system, there's a big difference between an accusation and evidence:

                    Accusation:
                    An accusation is a claim that someone has done something wrong or illegal.
                    Evidence is the proof (or attempted proof) used to support or disprove an accusation.
                    I stop my case, it is useless to discuss with you.

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                    @Okuna @michelestrider Yes. I really do rest here.

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                    • debaer@23.socialD debaer@23.social

                      @michelestrider "Wag the Dog" was not an instruction manual.

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                      @deBaer neither was The Handmaid’s Tale, but the people in charge don’t seem to understand that. @michelestrider

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