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So, the Epstein files are "start a war with Iran" bad

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  • ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai

    @inspired @michelestrider

    Power vacuums are never exactly a smart idea. It tends to lead to massive political instability.

    The power balance in the areas filled with rivals and a disruption to that balance of power is going to have downstream effects well outside of Iran

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    @GhostOnTheHalfShell @michelestrider Oh yeah, it's bad. I don't pretend to know exactly how bad but I think it is pretty clear most of the people saying "don't attack Iran" weren't doing it because they want the current government in place. It is because the sort of consequences you are pointing to are likely far worse. Having said that, no matter how unlikely, I hope we turn out to be wrong. The Iranian people have suffered so much.

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    • michelestrider@mastodon.socialM michelestrider@mastodon.social

      So, the Epstein files are "start a war with Iran" bad

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      @michelestrider @klausfiend Yes, they've driven every stupid "look over there!" thing that DJT has done for the last 13 months. Epstein's killswitch (Maxwell) didn't work out and dude was whacked in jail. Powerful people with more money than God are the cause of most of this planet's ills.

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      • michelestrider@mastodon.socialM michelestrider@mastodon.social

        So, the Epstein files are "start a war with Iran" bad

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        @michelestrider They got renamed to the Trump Epstein files.

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        • inspired@hachyderm.ioI inspired@hachyderm.io

          @GhostOnTheHalfShell @michelestrider Oh yeah, it's bad. I don't pretend to know exactly how bad but I think it is pretty clear most of the people saying "don't attack Iran" weren't doing it because they want the current government in place. It is because the sort of consequences you are pointing to are likely far worse. Having said that, no matter how unlikely, I hope we turn out to be wrong. The Iranian people have suffered so much.

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          @inspired @GhostOnTheHalfShell @michelestrider Bibi also knows how to make Trump dance. And Israel needs another forever war to keep him out of jail.

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          • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

            @inspired @GhostOnTheHalfShell @michelestrider Bibi also knows how to make Trump dance. And Israel needs another forever war to keep him out of jail.

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            @JessTheUnstill @inspired @michelestrider

            Given what we now know about certain now on alive individuals, and some very alive dictators, I won’t mention Russia by name, they do seem to have procured a great deal of material on the recreational activity of a great many political and business figures.

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            • michelestrider@mastodon.socialM michelestrider@mastodon.social

              So, the Epstein files are "start a war with Iran" bad

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              @michelestrider they were the real ”imminent threat”

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              • deadinside@but.still.drinkin.coffeeD deadinside@but.still.drinkin.coffee

                @michelestrider No, the war is the precursor to "you never have to vote again"...

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                @deadinside @michelestrider

                No reason it can't be both

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                • michelestrider@mastodon.socialM michelestrider@mastodon.social

                  So, the Epstein files are "start a war with Iran" bad

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                  @michelestrider
                  Hey. It's the ☮️ peace potus !

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                  • michelestrider@mastodon.socialM michelestrider@mastodon.social

                    So, the Epstein files are "start a war with Iran" bad

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                    @michelestrider now, that it seems to be obvious that the DOJ was hiding documents naming Trump and a victim which accused him, and that the DOJ or others did investigate this and their were interviews, I wonder why not unredacting it when Trump has nothing to hide… I just wonder.
                    But it seems it must be really really bad for Trump, if he attacks Iran to disturb the public from this.

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                    • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

                      @michelestrider We now know they contain several accounts of him raping underage girls and at least one of these accounts are highly credible and was removed from the files. The hunt is on for it.

                      But at this point I'm pretty sure he doesn't even give a shit because he knows nobody else does and that nobody's going to stop him in anything he does. Everyone has been bought or brought low.

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                      @crazyeddie @michelestrider NO.
                      So far there is no evidence that he raped an underage girl. There is an accusation he did, but innocent until proven guilty.
                      Even for him.
                      Or my English is too bad and I dont understand what you say…
                      Politicians love to say: If you have nothing to hide…
                      Well then, DJT, if you have nothing to hide…
                      I would expect if it became public he did, his approval rates would rise, at least in the MAGA area.

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                        @LukefromDC @michelestrider the broom is called MAGA and they still support him hugely.
                        Even though he contradicts everything he said and he was elected for.

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                        • mrundkvist@archaeo.socialM mrundkvist@archaeo.social

                          @michelestrider
                          We knew that in 2015. "You can grab her by the" etc

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                          @mrundkvist @michelestrider “Her” was an adult and I guess not meant for kids

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                          • michelestrider@mastodon.socialM michelestrider@mastodon.social

                            So, the Epstein files are "start a war with Iran" bad

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                            @michelestrider I strongly believe that he thinks, that now, eventually, he deserves the Nobel Peace Price, bombing Iran.
                            Reality Distortion Field

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                            • okuna@social.tchncs.deO okuna@social.tchncs.de

                              @crazyeddie @michelestrider NO.
                              So far there is no evidence that he raped an underage girl. There is an accusation he did, but innocent until proven guilty.
                              Even for him.
                              Or my English is too bad and I dont understand what you say…
                              Politicians love to say: If you have nothing to hide…
                              Well then, DJT, if you have nothing to hide…
                              I would expect if it became public he did, his approval rates would rise, at least in the MAGA area.

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                              @Okuna @michelestrider I find it odd that you'd say there's no evidence and then point out part of that evidence in the next sentence, but whatever.

                              I stand corrected I guess?

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                              • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

                                @Okuna @michelestrider I find it odd that you'd say there's no evidence and then point out part of that evidence in the next sentence, but whatever.

                                I stand corrected I guess?

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                                @crazyeddie @michelestrider english is not my native language. Where did I show evidence? In my books, an accusation is not evidence.

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                                • okuna@social.tchncs.deO okuna@social.tchncs.de

                                  @crazyeddie @michelestrider english is not my native language. Where did I show evidence? In my books, an accusation is not evidence.

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                                  @Okuna @michelestrider In case you're actually being honest here (usually someone that doesn't know english doesn't go telling native speakers they're doing it wrong, but whatever):

                                  You're conflating conviction and evidence. An accusation, especially one given to police during an investigation, is generally seen as evidence a crime took place. A conviction is a different matter.

                                  And I don't actually have to give a shit about any of that because I'm not the fucking court system.

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                                  • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

                                    @Okuna @michelestrider In case you're actually being honest here (usually someone that doesn't know english doesn't go telling native speakers they're doing it wrong, but whatever):

                                    You're conflating conviction and evidence. An accusation, especially one given to police during an investigation, is generally seen as evidence a crime took place. A conviction is a different matter.

                                    And I don't actually have to give a shit about any of that because I'm not the fucking court system.

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                                    @crazyeddie @michelestrider
                                    I am serious and honest. I know english but I am not a native speaker. So I challenge my own understanding and account for the fact, that I learnt something wrong or I remember it wrong.
                                    I did not want to tell you, your english is wrong. If this came across, I apologize.

                                    Conviction to me is if a court has ruled. Evidence is proof that something happened. Needed for conviction but proof not always leads to a conviction, I think.
                                    An accusation given to the police for me is not evidence. People accuse others at the police and lie sometimes. It is an accusation the police has to look into and find out if the accusation is correct or not. If it is correct, in my books it is evidence.
                                    I do give a shit, else the western legal system is useless.

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                                    • michelestrider@mastodon.socialM michelestrider@mastodon.social

                                      So, the Epstein files are "start a war with Iran" bad

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                                      @michelestrider Next stop: No elections again, ever

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                                      • okuna@social.tchncs.deO okuna@social.tchncs.de

                                        @crazyeddie @michelestrider
                                        I am serious and honest. I know english but I am not a native speaker. So I challenge my own understanding and account for the fact, that I learnt something wrong or I remember it wrong.
                                        I did not want to tell you, your english is wrong. If this came across, I apologize.

                                        Conviction to me is if a court has ruled. Evidence is proof that something happened. Needed for conviction but proof not always leads to a conviction, I think.
                                        An accusation given to the police for me is not evidence. People accuse others at the police and lie sometimes. It is an accusation the police has to look into and find out if the accusation is correct or not. If it is correct, in my books it is evidence.
                                        I do give a shit, else the western legal system is useless.

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                                        @Okuna @michelestrider You're again wrong about the word "evidence". I'm almost certain you are being dishonest here.

                                        An accusation is evidence. If it's *credible enough* evidence it might even be used as such in court. Or it may be discounted by other evidence and then it's no longer evidence of that crime but of another possibly.

                                        Was it credible?

                                        * Investigators are said to have thought so.
                                        * It was removed from the *EVIDENCE*

                                        That's enough for me for now.

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                                        • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

                                          @Okuna @michelestrider You're again wrong about the word "evidence". I'm almost certain you are being dishonest here.

                                          An accusation is evidence. If it's *credible enough* evidence it might even be used as such in court. Or it may be discounted by other evidence and then it's no longer evidence of that crime but of another possibly.

                                          Was it credible?

                                          * Investigators are said to have thought so.
                                          * It was removed from the *EVIDENCE*

                                          That's enough for me for now.

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                                          @crazyeddie @michelestrider If I am dishonest dont answer.
                                          Webster Dictionary about accusation:
                                          -a charge of wrongdoing
                                          The evidence confirms the accusations made against him.
                                          The evidence confirms the accusation which means an accusation is not necessarily evidence.
                                          in the U. S. legal system, there's a big difference between an accusation and evidence:

                                          Accusation:
                                          An accusation is a claim that someone has done something wrong or illegal.
                                          Evidence is the proof (or attempted proof) used to support or disprove an accusation.
                                          I stop my case, it is useless to discuss with you.

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