The FBI case against the Southern Poverty Law Center basically says that if you donate money to the SPLC, then they use some of it to pay informants to infiltrate white nationalist organizations to uncover stuff like this.
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@FranceskaMann @mekkaokereke When did they do that? I can't find any reference to it.
They send out mailers to people who donate. They made that a cover story and then wrote about it. They called Hawaii's indigenous water protectors a "hate group". 14 years I lived in Hawaii. I never met a hateful Hawaiian person. I complained & stopped donating. I probably wasn't the only person who did so. So maybe they've stopped advertising and bragging about targeting indigenous people? I hope so.
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This is where the people that donated to the Southern Poverty Law Center went to donate, so that their money could be used to infiltrate and uncover white nationalist organizations.
So don't donate here unless you want some of your money to be used to uncover white nationalist organizations.
@mekkaokereke thanks for the reminder. Got done.
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@mekkaokereke Man it would be a pity if people used services like Cloaked or IronVest for payments as they obfuscate the payer data, use zero logging, and are outside five-eyes territory. Then you could donate to such organizations fairly anonymously. It would just be such a shame if people knew about that.
Theres no need for subterfuge here. Just send them money. Theyre as legit as anything can be.
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The FBI case against the Southern Poverty Law Center basically says that if you donate money to the SPLC, then they use some of it to pay informants to infiltrate white nationalist organizations to uncover stuff like this.
Stephen Miller
Stephen Miller is credited with shaping the racist and draconian immigration policies of President Trump, which include the zero-tolerance policy, also known as family separation, the Muslim ban and ending the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program. Miller has also “purged” government agencies of civil servants who are not entirely loyal to his extremist agenda, according to a report […]
Southern Poverty Law Center (www.splcenter.org)
I use my credit unions "bill pay" feature. It lets me schedule payments, avoids credit card companies' take, and i can see at one glance who im giving money to.
I switched to this a few yrsr5s back after a spate of CC fraud where i had a new CC number every few months.
It confuses some orgs thet use CCs ro maintain "membership" (make you feel like you're part, benefits etc) but i just want them to have my money i dont need the frou frou.
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The FBI case against the Southern Poverty Law Center basically says that if you donate money to the SPLC, then they use some of it to pay informants to infiltrate white nationalist organizations to uncover stuff like this.
Stephen Miller
Stephen Miller is credited with shaping the racist and draconian immigration policies of President Trump, which include the zero-tolerance policy, also known as family separation, the Muslim ban and ending the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program. Miller has also “purged” government agencies of civil servants who are not entirely loyal to his extremist agenda, according to a report […]
Southern Poverty Law Center (www.splcenter.org)
@mekkaokereke I wonder if this is going to be a Streisand indictment.
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The FBI case against the Southern Poverty Law Center basically says that if you donate money to the SPLC, then they use some of it to pay informants to infiltrate white nationalist organizations to uncover stuff like this.
Stephen Miller
Stephen Miller is credited with shaping the racist and draconian immigration policies of President Trump, which include the zero-tolerance policy, also known as family separation, the Muslim ban and ending the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program. Miller has also “purged” government agencies of civil servants who are not entirely loyal to his extremist agenda, according to a report […]
Southern Poverty Law Center (www.splcenter.org)
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Theres no need for subterfuge here. Just send them money. Theyre as legit as anything can be.
@tomjennings @monkeyninja sure, SPLC is legit, but the government using its investigative powers to harass them and their donors, is not
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@mekkaokereke Thanks for letting us know what to "avoid".
In the same vein, thanks for banning all the books worth reading.
It's a good thing that young people never break the rules or push any boundaries. I'm sure those bans keeping books out of libraries will keep the kids from ever reading them at all rather than, say, scoring one bootleg copy and passing it around the whole middle school.
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SPLC has been doing heroic and effective work curbing and exposing racists and white nationalists for years. that high level of effectiveness is exactly why they are being targeted by the current administration...
i hope everyone who can donates to them.
@paul_ipv6 @mekkaokereke
We shouldn't trust anything from the current Justice Dept. That said, my understanding is that #SPLC is an organisation more interested in enriching itself than in fighting racism. E.g., from the #NewYorker:"In 1995, the Montgomery Advertiser had been a Pulitzer finalist for a series that documented, among other things, staffers’ allegations of racial discrimination within the organization."
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@tomjennings @monkeyninja sure, SPLC is legit, but the government using its investigative powers to harass them and their donors, is not
Is there evidence that gov't is harassing individual donors?
Is that enough to stop you?
Why comply in advance? It won't save you.
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@paul_ipv6 @mekkaokereke
We shouldn't trust anything from the current Justice Dept. That said, my understanding is that #SPLC is an organisation more interested in enriching itself than in fighting racism. E.g., from the #NewYorker:"In 1995, the Montgomery Advertiser had been a Pulitzer finalist for a series that documented, among other things, staffers’ allegations of racial discrimination within the organization."
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"In Harper’s, Ken Silverstein had revealed that the center had accumulated an endowment topping [$120M] while paying lavish salaries to its highest-ranking staffers and spending far less than most nonprofit groups on the work that it claimed to do. The great Southern journalist John Egerton, writing for The Progressive, had painted a damning portrait of [...] civil-rights work mainly as a marketing tool for bilking gullible Northern liberals."
The Reckoning of Morris Dees and the Southern Poverty Law Center
Bob Moser writes on the Southern Poverty Law Center firing its co-founder and longtime mastermind Morris Dees, after years of allegations of sexual harassment and racial discrimination against him.
The New Yorker (www.newyorker.com)
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They send out mailers to people who donate. They made that a cover story and then wrote about it. They called Hawaii's indigenous water protectors a "hate group". 14 years I lived in Hawaii. I never met a hateful Hawaiian person. I complained & stopped donating. I probably wasn't the only person who did so. So maybe they've stopped advertising and bragging about targeting indigenous people? I hope so.
@FranceskaMann @mekkaokereke I would like to find out the details. I am not saying this because I doubt you. I would like to know though.
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Is there evidence that gov't is harassing individual donors?
Is that enough to stop you?
Why comply in advance? It won't save you.
@tomjennings @raven667 There’s a world of difference between “complying in advance” and “I’m part of a group with targets on their backs and keeping a low profile is what allows me to not have daily panic attacks.”
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"In Harper’s, Ken Silverstein had revealed that the center had accumulated an endowment topping [$120M] while paying lavish salaries to its highest-ranking staffers and spending far less than most nonprofit groups on the work that it claimed to do. The great Southern journalist John Egerton, writing for The Progressive, had painted a damning portrait of [...] civil-rights work mainly as a marketing tool for bilking gullible Northern liberals."
The Reckoning of Morris Dees and the Southern Poverty Law Center
Bob Moser writes on the Southern Poverty Law Center firing its co-founder and longtime mastermind Morris Dees, after years of allegations of sexual harassment and racial discrimination against him.
The New Yorker (www.newyorker.com)
a hatchet job by the NYT is more endorsement than condemnation in my mind...
they've been a fascist publicity firm in their op-eds and choice/wording of headlines longer than i've been alive.
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a hatchet job by the NYT is more endorsement than condemnation in my mind...
they've been a fascist publicity firm in their op-eds and choice/wording of headlines longer than i've been alive.
@paul_ipv6
There are lots of reasons to criticise the *NY Times*, I agree. But this exposé is from the *New Yorker*, and I've seen similar articles from other serious magazines.Here's a good one from a left-leaning website: https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2019/03/the-southern-poverty-law-center-is-everything-thats-wrong-with-liberalism
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@paul_ipv6
There are lots of reasons to criticise the *NY Times*, I agree. But this exposé is from the *New Yorker*, and I've seen similar articles from other serious magazines.Here's a good one from a left-leaning website: https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2019/03/the-southern-poverty-law-center-is-everything-thats-wrong-with-liberalism
they may not be perfect but they do some very effective work.
i'm more concerned with the precedent. using the DoJ to be the department of right wing revenge, along with the possibility of the IRS yanking non-profit status from anyone called a "terrorist" if they critize the government are truly existential threats to free speech and free society.
let's kill that first, then worry about cleaning up non-profits.
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@monkeyninja @mekkaokereke As a 501-c3 they might not be able to accept anonymized contributions, though.
@not2b @monkeyninja @mekkaokereke
As long as you donate less than $5k a year, anon donations are fine. Donations $5k and over are supposed to be reported by name (or org) on Schedule B of the 990.
So give $4999.99 or less. But that's per person, not household. FYI. Some orgs combine spouses accts by default but you can direct them specifically not to, esp if you file personal taxes separately.
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@tomjennings @raven667 There’s a world of difference between “complying in advance” and “I’m part of a group with targets on their backs and keeping a low profile is what allows me to not have daily panic attacks.”
@monkeyninja @tomjennings @raven667
The post office (and therefore Doge and Palentir) knows every org that has sent you a ty letter in the last 10 years-ish. They scan everyone's mail. You can go to the usps website and sign up for them to send you an email every day with your scanned mail items expected to be delivered to you.
They send them daily except Sundays. So, they already know the types of orgs you hzve given to. To pollute the data you have to give (tiny) donations to some RW orgs.
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they may not be perfect but they do some very effective work.
i'm more concerned with the precedent. using the DoJ to be the department of right wing revenge, along with the possibility of the IRS yanking non-profit status from anyone called a "terrorist" if they critize the government are truly existential threats to free speech and free society.
let's kill that first, then worry about cleaning up non-profits.
@paul_ipv6
Like I said, we shouldn't have much confidence in the Trump Justice Department, no. But we should also hold tight to our wallets when it comes to the SPLC. -
@monkeyninja @tomjennings @raven667
The post office (and therefore Doge and Palentir) knows every org that has sent you a ty letter in the last 10 years-ish. They scan everyone's mail. You can go to the usps website and sign up for them to send you an email every day with your scanned mail items expected to be delivered to you.
They send them daily except Sundays. So, they already know the types of orgs you hzve given to. To pollute the data you have to give (tiny) donations to some RW orgs.
> To pollute the data you have to give (tiny) donations to some RW orgs.
No. This is crazy talk. Best to block me.
I'm not responding to this thread any further.
