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> LLM-assisted coding is fine.

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  • xgranade@wandering.shopX This user is from outside of this forum
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    > LLM-assisted coding is fine.

    Depends on what you mean by fine. If you mean in an ethical sense, then no. If you mean in a practical sense, then also no.

    aadeacon@mastodon.socialA uep@timeloop.cafeU sortius@beige.partyS johntinker@hear-me.socialJ seruko@mstdn.socialS 7 Replies Last reply
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    • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

      > LLM-assisted coding is fine.

      Depends on what you mean by fine. If you mean in an ethical sense, then no. If you mean in a practical sense, then also no.

      aadeacon@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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      @xgranade and if you mean fine as aesthetically pleasingly c.f. Fine arts, then also no.

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      • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

        > LLM-assisted coding is fine.

        Depends on what you mean by fine. If you mean in an ethical sense, then no. If you mean in a practical sense, then also no.

        uep@timeloop.cafeU This user is from outside of this forum
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        @xgranade in an everything-on-fire-this-is-fine sense, perhaps

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        • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

          > LLM-assisted coding is fine.

          Depends on what you mean by fine. If you mean in an ethical sense, then no. If you mean in a practical sense, then also no.

          sortius@beige.partyS This user is from outside of this forum
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          @xgranade I was discussing this earlier with someone.

          If it wasn't a planet killing nazi machine, and it was more akin to code "autocomplete". Yeh, I don't think anyone would object.

          Right, now, no, it's not "fine"

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          • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

            > LLM-assisted coding is fine.

            Depends on what you mean by fine. If you mean in an ethical sense, then no. If you mean in a practical sense, then also no.

            johntinker@hear-me.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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            If only it were possible to keep industry from evaluating the usefulness of the LLM on its own merits. If merely by inhibiting self-identified leftists from discussing what they are, they could be put back in their cage, it would become a different world than the the one to where we are headed.

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            • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

              > LLM-assisted coding is fine.

              Depends on what you mean by fine. If you mean in an ethical sense, then no. If you mean in a practical sense, then also no.

              seruko@mstdn.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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              @xgranade tech debt at scale? The same 5 zero days like a boot on the neck forever?

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              • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

                > LLM-assisted coding is fine.

                Depends on what you mean by fine. If you mean in an ethical sense, then no. If you mean in a practical sense, then also no.

                ki@chaos.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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                @xgranade
                I've seen so many people not realizing that programming is also hard work and to some degree an art form 😕

                you can't just say "LLM/diffusion assets are bad" and continue with "LLM code is fine" and expect it to make sense...

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                • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

                  > LLM-assisted coding is fine.

                  Depends on what you mean by fine. If you mean in an ethical sense, then no. If you mean in a practical sense, then also no.

                  optozorax@mathstodon.xyzO This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @xgranade Is there a way to make ethical LLM-assisted coding? Using chinese local open-weight models is more ethical than using ClosedAI ChatGPT? Or the only correct choice is to create ethical data collection, which pays its data contributors and then train LLM based on that?

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                  • optozorax@mathstodon.xyzO optozorax@mathstodon.xyz

                    @xgranade Is there a way to make ethical LLM-assisted coding? Using chinese local open-weight models is more ethical than using ClosedAI ChatGPT? Or the only correct choice is to create ethical data collection, which pays its data contributors and then train LLM based on that?

                    aerique@genart.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @optozorax @xgranade If it's from China it is by definition not ethical.

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