Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Tags
  • Popular
  • World
  • Users
  • Groups
Skins
  • Light
  • Brite
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (Cyborg)
  • No Skin
Collapse
Brand Logo

CIRCLE WITH A DOT

  1. Home
  2. Uncategorized
  3. If this is true, Donald Trump has managed the unusual feat of going to war with another country and having them come out of it stronger than they went in

If this is true, Donald Trump has managed the unusual feat of going to war with another country and having them come out of it stronger than they went in

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Uncategorized
16 Posts 11 Posters 0 Views
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

    If this is true, Donald Trump has managed the unusual feat of going to war with another country and having them come out of it stronger than they went in

    wsj.com

    favicon

    (www.wsj.com)

    Link Preview Image
    jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ This user is from outside of this forum
    jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ This user is from outside of this forum
    jalefkowit@vmst.io
    wrote last edited by
    #4

    “Iran, despite the decapitation of its leadership, has dealt the United States a strategic defeat in the classical sense. It will end the war in a stronger position than when it came under attack. The United States will end the war in a weaker position than before it launched its war. The rest is details.”

    Link Preview Image
    So You Lost A War To Iran

    And you're going to try to convince us you… won. Wow. Wow, OK

    favicon

    FOREVER WARS (www.forever-wars.com)

    raganwald@social.bau-ha.usR jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ snoopj@hachyderm.ioS 3 Replies Last reply
    1
    0
    • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

      “Iran, despite the decapitation of its leadership, has dealt the United States a strategic defeat in the classical sense. It will end the war in a stronger position than when it came under attack. The United States will end the war in a weaker position than before it launched its war. The rest is details.”

      Link Preview Image
      So You Lost A War To Iran

      And you're going to try to convince us you… won. Wow. Wow, OK

      favicon

      FOREVER WARS (www.forever-wars.com)

      raganwald@social.bau-ha.usR This user is from outside of this forum
      raganwald@social.bau-ha.usR This user is from outside of this forum
      raganwald@social.bau-ha.us
      wrote last edited by
      #5

      @jalefkowit This line is tragic in the original Greek sense:

      "I'm not measuring the war in terms of human lives only because that is not a compelling metric to the United States, while economic pain is."

      1 Reply Last reply
      0
      • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

        If this is true, Donald Trump has managed the unusual feat of going to war with another country and having them come out of it stronger than they went in

        wsj.com

        favicon

        (www.wsj.com)

        Link Preview Image
        disorderlyf@todon.euD This user is from outside of this forum
        disorderlyf@todon.euD This user is from outside of this forum
        disorderlyf@todon.eu
        wrote last edited by
        #6

        @jalefkowit Calling the US President Herr TACO will continue until willingness to oust him improves.

        1 Reply Last reply
        0
        • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

          “Iran, despite the decapitation of its leadership, has dealt the United States a strategic defeat in the classical sense. It will end the war in a stronger position than when it came under attack. The United States will end the war in a weaker position than before it launched its war. The rest is details.”

          Link Preview Image
          So You Lost A War To Iran

          And you're going to try to convince us you… won. Wow. Wow, OK

          favicon

          FOREVER WARS (www.forever-wars.com)

          jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ This user is from outside of this forum
          jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ This user is from outside of this forum
          jalefkowit@vmst.io
          wrote last edited by
          #7

          I should state here that I'm not saying there is some better way out of the Iran War for the United States. I don't see one. For whatever reason, our military, the most lavishly funded in the world, is unable to prevent Iran from sinking ships in the Persian Gulf. The only military alternative is escalation, landing ground troops to try and push Iranian fires back out of range. That seems like an even bigger disaster in the making.

          Trump cutting our losses is probably the best outcome that can be hoped for. But there will still be a price, and while the U.S. was alone in starting this war, it will not be alone in paying it.

          sl007@digitalcourage.socialS wordshaper@weatherishappening.networkW theorangetheme@en.osm.townT flyingsaceur@ioc.exchangeF 4 Replies Last reply
          0
          • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

            I should state here that I'm not saying there is some better way out of the Iran War for the United States. I don't see one. For whatever reason, our military, the most lavishly funded in the world, is unable to prevent Iran from sinking ships in the Persian Gulf. The only military alternative is escalation, landing ground troops to try and push Iranian fires back out of range. That seems like an even bigger disaster in the making.

            Trump cutting our losses is probably the best outcome that can be hoped for. But there will still be a price, and while the U.S. was alone in starting this war, it will not be alone in paying it.

            sl007@digitalcourage.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
            sl007@digitalcourage.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
            sl007@digitalcourage.social
            wrote last edited by
            #8

            @jalefkowit

            Well, there are more and more European Countries closing its airspace for US Military flights. Last was Spain.
            I am from Germany and I think if we close down the airspace over Ramstein, this would be a way out of the Iran War …

            labspokane@mas.toL 1 Reply Last reply
            0
            • sl007@digitalcourage.socialS sl007@digitalcourage.social

              @jalefkowit

              Well, there are more and more European Countries closing its airspace for US Military flights. Last was Spain.
              I am from Germany and I think if we close down the airspace over Ramstein, this would be a way out of the Iran War …

              labspokane@mas.toL This user is from outside of this forum
              labspokane@mas.toL This user is from outside of this forum
              labspokane@mas.to
              wrote last edited by
              #9

              @sl007 @jalefkowit Please kick us out. Thank you.

              sl007@digitalcourage.socialS 1 Reply Last reply
              0
              • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

                I should state here that I'm not saying there is some better way out of the Iran War for the United States. I don't see one. For whatever reason, our military, the most lavishly funded in the world, is unable to prevent Iran from sinking ships in the Persian Gulf. The only military alternative is escalation, landing ground troops to try and push Iranian fires back out of range. That seems like an even bigger disaster in the making.

                Trump cutting our losses is probably the best outcome that can be hoped for. But there will still be a price, and while the U.S. was alone in starting this war, it will not be alone in paying it.

                wordshaper@weatherishappening.networkW This user is from outside of this forum
                wordshaper@weatherishappening.networkW This user is from outside of this forum
                wordshaper@weatherishappening.network
                wrote last edited by
                #10

                @jalefkowit This Iran War thing is very much a "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" thing. The absolute best result absolutely sucks and you'd have to be breathtakingly incompetent to think otherwise.

                So, y'know, *exactly* the kind of rake this administration will repeatedly step on.

                1 Reply Last reply
                0
                • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

                  I should state here that I'm not saying there is some better way out of the Iran War for the United States. I don't see one. For whatever reason, our military, the most lavishly funded in the world, is unable to prevent Iran from sinking ships in the Persian Gulf. The only military alternative is escalation, landing ground troops to try and push Iranian fires back out of range. That seems like an even bigger disaster in the making.

                  Trump cutting our losses is probably the best outcome that can be hoped for. But there will still be a price, and while the U.S. was alone in starting this war, it will not be alone in paying it.

                  theorangetheme@en.osm.townT This user is from outside of this forum
                  theorangetheme@en.osm.townT This user is from outside of this forum
                  theorangetheme@en.osm.town
                  wrote last edited by
                  #11

                  @jalefkowit The best way out is to invent a time machine and smother baby Reagan. Or at least prevent Trump from starting a war.

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  0
                  • R relay@relay.mycrowd.ca shared this topic
                  • labspokane@mas.toL labspokane@mas.to

                    @sl007 @jalefkowit Please kick us out. Thank you.

                    sl007@digitalcourage.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
                    sl007@digitalcourage.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
                    sl007@digitalcourage.social
                    wrote last edited by
                    #12

                    @LabSpokane @jalefkowit

                    I mean, do not get me wrong. As a photojournalist I had nice moments at Ramstein (as pictured).
                    It does not depend on the people, just on the king.

                    Link Preview Image
                    1 Reply Last reply
                    0
                    • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

                      “Iran, despite the decapitation of its leadership, has dealt the United States a strategic defeat in the classical sense. It will end the war in a stronger position than when it came under attack. The United States will end the war in a weaker position than before it launched its war. The rest is details.”

                      Link Preview Image
                      So You Lost A War To Iran

                      And you're going to try to convince us you… won. Wow. Wow, OK

                      favicon

                      FOREVER WARS (www.forever-wars.com)

                      snoopj@hachyderm.ioS This user is from outside of this forum
                      snoopj@hachyderm.ioS This user is from outside of this forum
                      snoopj@hachyderm.io
                      wrote last edited by
                      #13

                      @jalefkowit this was a great read, thanks for sharing

                      Agree that the best outcome from here is for us to just get the fuck out. If our big wet president and his handlers need to tell themselves "we're not owned!" about it, I could swallow that in exchange for the coming recession not being *as* bad as it will be if they double down to try and save face

                      jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ 1 Reply Last reply
                      0
                      • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                        @jalefkowit this was a great read, thanks for sharing

                        Agree that the best outcome from here is for us to just get the fuck out. If our big wet president and his handlers need to tell themselves "we're not owned!" about it, I could swallow that in exchange for the coming recession not being *as* bad as it will be if they double down to try and save face

                        jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ This user is from outside of this forum
                        jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ This user is from outside of this forum
                        jalefkowit@vmst.io
                        wrote last edited by
                        #14

                        @SnoopJ Spencer Ackerman does great work. Definitely recommend following him if you aren't already

                        Link Preview Image
                        Spencer Ackerman - Wikipedia

                        favicon

                        (en.wikipedia.org)

                        1 Reply Last reply
                        0
                        • dvshkn@social.treehouse.systemsD dvshkn@social.treehouse.systems

                          @jalefkowit It would have been easier (and cheaper!) for everyone if we just gave Iran some nukes

                          flyingsaceur@ioc.exchangeF This user is from outside of this forum
                          flyingsaceur@ioc.exchangeF This user is from outside of this forum
                          flyingsaceur@ioc.exchange
                          wrote last edited by
                          #15

                          @dvshkn @jalefkowit ‘The Mouse That Roared’ (1959)

                          1 Reply Last reply
                          0
                          • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

                            I should state here that I'm not saying there is some better way out of the Iran War for the United States. I don't see one. For whatever reason, our military, the most lavishly funded in the world, is unable to prevent Iran from sinking ships in the Persian Gulf. The only military alternative is escalation, landing ground troops to try and push Iranian fires back out of range. That seems like an even bigger disaster in the making.

                            Trump cutting our losses is probably the best outcome that can be hoped for. But there will still be a price, and while the U.S. was alone in starting this war, it will not be alone in paying it.

                            flyingsaceur@ioc.exchangeF This user is from outside of this forum
                            flyingsaceur@ioc.exchangeF This user is from outside of this forum
                            flyingsaceur@ioc.exchange
                            wrote last edited by
                            #16

                            @jalefkowit I’ll only add that diplomacy a nation is only as good as its word. The United States government is structurally untrustworthy on the timescale of years, thanks to its electorate; but now it cannot be trusted on the scale of days or hours.

                            Breaking off negotiations with a nation, explicitly to launch a surprise decapitation attack, is something that’s hard to recover from even with a regime change and mass executions

                            1 Reply Last reply
                            1
                            0
                            • R relay@relay.infosec.exchange shared this topic
                            Reply
                            • Reply as topic
                            Log in to reply
                            • Oldest to Newest
                            • Newest to Oldest
                            • Most Votes


                            • Login

                            • Login or register to search.
                            • First post
                              Last post
                            0
                            • Categories
                            • Recent
                            • Tags
                            • Popular
                            • World
                            • Users
                            • Groups