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If this is true, Donald Trump has managed the unusual feat of going to war with another country and having them come out of it stronger than they went in

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  • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    If this is true, Donald Trump has managed the unusual feat of going to war with another country and having them come out of it stronger than they went in

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    • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

      If this is true, Donald Trump has managed the unusual feat of going to war with another country and having them come out of it stronger than they went in

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      @jalefkowit great!

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      • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

        If this is true, Donald Trump has managed the unusual feat of going to war with another country and having them come out of it stronger than they went in

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        @jalefkowit It would have been easier (and cheaper!) for everyone if we just gave Iran some nukes

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        • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

          If this is true, Donald Trump has managed the unusual feat of going to war with another country and having them come out of it stronger than they went in

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          “Iran, despite the decapitation of its leadership, has dealt the United States a strategic defeat in the classical sense. It will end the war in a stronger position than when it came under attack. The United States will end the war in a weaker position than before it launched its war. The rest is details.”

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          So You Lost A War To Iran

          And you're going to try to convince us you… won. Wow. Wow, OK

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          • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

            “Iran, despite the decapitation of its leadership, has dealt the United States a strategic defeat in the classical sense. It will end the war in a stronger position than when it came under attack. The United States will end the war in a weaker position than before it launched its war. The rest is details.”

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            So You Lost A War To Iran

            And you're going to try to convince us you… won. Wow. Wow, OK

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            FOREVER WARS (www.forever-wars.com)

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            @jalefkowit This line is tragic in the original Greek sense:

            "I'm not measuring the war in terms of human lives only because that is not a compelling metric to the United States, while economic pain is."

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            • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

              If this is true, Donald Trump has managed the unusual feat of going to war with another country and having them come out of it stronger than they went in

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              @jalefkowit Calling the US President Herr TACO will continue until willingness to oust him improves.

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              • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

                “Iran, despite the decapitation of its leadership, has dealt the United States a strategic defeat in the classical sense. It will end the war in a stronger position than when it came under attack. The United States will end the war in a weaker position than before it launched its war. The rest is details.”

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                So You Lost A War To Iran

                And you're going to try to convince us you… won. Wow. Wow, OK

                favicon

                FOREVER WARS (www.forever-wars.com)

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                I should state here that I'm not saying there is some better way out of the Iran War for the United States. I don't see one. For whatever reason, our military, the most lavishly funded in the world, is unable to prevent Iran from sinking ships in the Persian Gulf. The only military alternative is escalation, landing ground troops to try and push Iranian fires back out of range. That seems like an even bigger disaster in the making.

                Trump cutting our losses is probably the best outcome that can be hoped for. But there will still be a price, and while the U.S. was alone in starting this war, it will not be alone in paying it.

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                • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

                  I should state here that I'm not saying there is some better way out of the Iran War for the United States. I don't see one. For whatever reason, our military, the most lavishly funded in the world, is unable to prevent Iran from sinking ships in the Persian Gulf. The only military alternative is escalation, landing ground troops to try and push Iranian fires back out of range. That seems like an even bigger disaster in the making.

                  Trump cutting our losses is probably the best outcome that can be hoped for. But there will still be a price, and while the U.S. was alone in starting this war, it will not be alone in paying it.

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                  @jalefkowit

                  Well, there are more and more European Countries closing its airspace for US Military flights. Last was Spain.
                  I am from Germany and I think if we close down the airspace over Ramstein, this would be a way out of the Iran War …

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                    @jalefkowit

                    Well, there are more and more European Countries closing its airspace for US Military flights. Last was Spain.
                    I am from Germany and I think if we close down the airspace over Ramstein, this would be a way out of the Iran War …

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                    @sl007 @jalefkowit Please kick us out. Thank you.

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                    • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

                      I should state here that I'm not saying there is some better way out of the Iran War for the United States. I don't see one. For whatever reason, our military, the most lavishly funded in the world, is unable to prevent Iran from sinking ships in the Persian Gulf. The only military alternative is escalation, landing ground troops to try and push Iranian fires back out of range. That seems like an even bigger disaster in the making.

                      Trump cutting our losses is probably the best outcome that can be hoped for. But there will still be a price, and while the U.S. was alone in starting this war, it will not be alone in paying it.

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                      @jalefkowit This Iran War thing is very much a "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" thing. The absolute best result absolutely sucks and you'd have to be breathtakingly incompetent to think otherwise.

                      So, y'know, *exactly* the kind of rake this administration will repeatedly step on.

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                      • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

                        I should state here that I'm not saying there is some better way out of the Iran War for the United States. I don't see one. For whatever reason, our military, the most lavishly funded in the world, is unable to prevent Iran from sinking ships in the Persian Gulf. The only military alternative is escalation, landing ground troops to try and push Iranian fires back out of range. That seems like an even bigger disaster in the making.

                        Trump cutting our losses is probably the best outcome that can be hoped for. But there will still be a price, and while the U.S. was alone in starting this war, it will not be alone in paying it.

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                        @jalefkowit The best way out is to invent a time machine and smother baby Reagan. Or at least prevent Trump from starting a war.

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                          @sl007 @jalefkowit Please kick us out. Thank you.

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                          @LabSpokane @jalefkowit

                          I mean, do not get me wrong. As a photojournalist I had nice moments at Ramstein (as pictured).
                          It does not depend on the people, just on the king.

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                          • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

                            “Iran, despite the decapitation of its leadership, has dealt the United States a strategic defeat in the classical sense. It will end the war in a stronger position than when it came under attack. The United States will end the war in a weaker position than before it launched its war. The rest is details.”

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                            So You Lost A War To Iran

                            And you're going to try to convince us you… won. Wow. Wow, OK

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                            @jalefkowit this was a great read, thanks for sharing

                            Agree that the best outcome from here is for us to just get the fuck out. If our big wet president and his handlers need to tell themselves "we're not owned!" about it, I could swallow that in exchange for the coming recession not being *as* bad as it will be if they double down to try and save face

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                              @jalefkowit this was a great read, thanks for sharing

                              Agree that the best outcome from here is for us to just get the fuck out. If our big wet president and his handlers need to tell themselves "we're not owned!" about it, I could swallow that in exchange for the coming recession not being *as* bad as it will be if they double down to try and save face

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                              @SnoopJ Spencer Ackerman does great work. Definitely recommend following him if you aren't already

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                              • dvshkn@social.treehouse.systemsD dvshkn@social.treehouse.systems

                                @jalefkowit It would have been easier (and cheaper!) for everyone if we just gave Iran some nukes

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                                @dvshkn @jalefkowit ‘The Mouse That Roared’ (1959)

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                                • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

                                  I should state here that I'm not saying there is some better way out of the Iran War for the United States. I don't see one. For whatever reason, our military, the most lavishly funded in the world, is unable to prevent Iran from sinking ships in the Persian Gulf. The only military alternative is escalation, landing ground troops to try and push Iranian fires back out of range. That seems like an even bigger disaster in the making.

                                  Trump cutting our losses is probably the best outcome that can be hoped for. But there will still be a price, and while the U.S. was alone in starting this war, it will not be alone in paying it.

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                                  @jalefkowit I’ll only add that diplomacy a nation is only as good as its word. The United States government is structurally untrustworthy on the timescale of years, thanks to its electorate; but now it cannot be trusted on the scale of days or hours.

                                  Breaking off negotiations with a nation, explicitly to launch a surprise decapitation attack, is something that’s hard to recover from even with a regime change and mass executions

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