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“It's making me dumber for sure,” the fintech software developer told me.

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  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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    “It's making me dumber for sure,” the fintech software developer told me. “It's like when we got cellphones and stopped remembering phone numbers, but it's grown to me mentally outsourcing ‘thinking’ in general. I feel my critical thinking and ability to sit and reason about a problem or a design has degraded because the all-knowing-dalai-llama is just a question away from giving me his take. And supposedly I tell myself ill just use it for inspiration but it ends up being my only thought. It gives you the illusion of productivity and expertise but at the end of the day you are more divorced from the output you submit than before.”
    https://www.404media.co/software-developers-say-ai-is-rotting-their-brains/

    davidgerard@circumstances.runD bjn@mstdn.socialB ohno@ap.dny.socialO lassegismo@lassegismo-social.dnsuser.infoL korrok@neopaquita.esK 14 Replies Last reply
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    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

      “It's making me dumber for sure,” the fintech software developer told me. “It's like when we got cellphones and stopped remembering phone numbers, but it's grown to me mentally outsourcing ‘thinking’ in general. I feel my critical thinking and ability to sit and reason about a problem or a design has degraded because the all-knowing-dalai-llama is just a question away from giving me his take. And supposedly I tell myself ill just use it for inspiration but it ends up being my only thought. It gives you the illusion of productivity and expertise but at the end of the day you are more divorced from the output you submit than before.”
      https://www.404media.co/software-developers-say-ai-is-rotting-their-brains/

      davidgerard@circumstances.runD This user is from outside of this forum
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      @tante turn yourself into an lgtm machine pressing accept and fantasising about a manual labouring job instead

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      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

        @tante turn yourself into an lgtm machine pressing accept and fantasising about a manual labouring job instead

        tante@tldr.nettime.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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        @davidgerard I dream about just working with wood daily. You becoming a carpenter or something.

        eldersea@expressional.socialE levampyre@chaos.socialL davidgerard@circumstances.runD ryan_harg@chaos.socialR ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA 6 Replies Last reply
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        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

          @davidgerard I dream about just working with wood daily. You becoming a carpenter or something.

          eldersea@expressional.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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          @tante

          @davidgerard I want the challenge, the iteration, the growth, the development, the understandable and functional and fun end result. Flow state activities. Not... This.

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          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

            @davidgerard I dream about just working with wood daily. You becoming a carpenter or something.

            levampyre@chaos.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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            @tante I'm about to quit tech and become a full time home grower doing some music on the side as an occupation for the brain. I think, it will be better for my soul. @davidgerard

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            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

              @davidgerard I dream about just working with wood daily. You becoming a carpenter or something.

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              @tante careful, i achieved the dream of become a youtube influencer

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              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                “It's making me dumber for sure,” the fintech software developer told me. “It's like when we got cellphones and stopped remembering phone numbers, but it's grown to me mentally outsourcing ‘thinking’ in general. I feel my critical thinking and ability to sit and reason about a problem or a design has degraded because the all-knowing-dalai-llama is just a question away from giving me his take. And supposedly I tell myself ill just use it for inspiration but it ends up being my only thought. It gives you the illusion of productivity and expertise but at the end of the day you are more divorced from the output you submit than before.”
                https://www.404media.co/software-developers-say-ai-is-rotting-their-brains/

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                @tante @davidgerard Joseph Cox, one of the 404 folk, is on the fediverse and is worth following, @josephcox

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                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                  “It's making me dumber for sure,” the fintech software developer told me. “It's like when we got cellphones and stopped remembering phone numbers, but it's grown to me mentally outsourcing ‘thinking’ in general. I feel my critical thinking and ability to sit and reason about a problem or a design has degraded because the all-knowing-dalai-llama is just a question away from giving me his take. And supposedly I tell myself ill just use it for inspiration but it ends up being my only thought. It gives you the illusion of productivity and expertise but at the end of the day you are more divorced from the output you submit than before.”
                  https://www.404media.co/software-developers-say-ai-is-rotting-their-brains/

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                  @tante This reminded me of https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPTPro/comments/1lmj0pv/i_read_the_your_brain_on_chatgpt_study_heres_how/.

                  The username would suggest this is possible satire. But in this timeline it’s hard to know.

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                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                    “It's making me dumber for sure,” the fintech software developer told me. “It's like when we got cellphones and stopped remembering phone numbers, but it's grown to me mentally outsourcing ‘thinking’ in general. I feel my critical thinking and ability to sit and reason about a problem or a design has degraded because the all-knowing-dalai-llama is just a question away from giving me his take. And supposedly I tell myself ill just use it for inspiration but it ends up being my only thought. It gives you the illusion of productivity and expertise but at the end of the day you are more divorced from the output you submit than before.”
                    https://www.404media.co/software-developers-say-ai-is-rotting-their-brains/

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                    @tante
                    That's the crux with fried pigeons 4.0.
                    🤷‍♂️
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                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                      @davidgerard I dream about just working with wood daily. You becoming a carpenter or something.

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                      @tante @davidgerard electricity s what i think i would go learn today....

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                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                        “It's making me dumber for sure,” the fintech software developer told me. “It's like when we got cellphones and stopped remembering phone numbers, but it's grown to me mentally outsourcing ‘thinking’ in general. I feel my critical thinking and ability to sit and reason about a problem or a design has degraded because the all-knowing-dalai-llama is just a question away from giving me his take. And supposedly I tell myself ill just use it for inspiration but it ends up being my only thought. It gives you the illusion of productivity and expertise but at the end of the day you are more divorced from the output you submit than before.”
                        https://www.404media.co/software-developers-say-ai-is-rotting-their-brains/

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                        @tante This is just what a programmer friend told me the other day

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                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                          @davidgerard I dream about just working with wood daily. You becoming a carpenter or something.

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                          @tante @davidgerard I started doing improv comedy, and if I get any hint that I could make a living standing on stage making a fool out of myself with the aim of making people laugh, I'd jump on it.

                          Also, an activity where the average person is much less likely to worship at the feet of fake productivity.

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                          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                            “It's making me dumber for sure,” the fintech software developer told me. “It's like when we got cellphones and stopped remembering phone numbers, but it's grown to me mentally outsourcing ‘thinking’ in general. I feel my critical thinking and ability to sit and reason about a problem or a design has degraded because the all-knowing-dalai-llama is just a question away from giving me his take. And supposedly I tell myself ill just use it for inspiration but it ends up being my only thought. It gives you the illusion of productivity and expertise but at the end of the day you are more divorced from the output you submit than before.”
                            https://www.404media.co/software-developers-say-ai-is-rotting-their-brains/

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                            @tante it's almost as if ANY creative job is only really worthwhile if people have spent time and energy on working out what the problem is, and then working out a way of implementing it, and learning from their mistakes (which is one thing LLMs never do).

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                            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                              @davidgerard I dream about just working with wood daily. You becoming a carpenter or something.

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                              @tante @davidgerard wood? where do you get the wood though? And who can pay for real wood in this economy… I had this thought lately and realised we're gearing toward a society where we go back to "working trades for the extra rich" (which is… already the case if you're working in software in one way or another)

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                                “It's making me dumber for sure,” the fintech software developer told me. “It's like when we got cellphones and stopped remembering phone numbers, but it's grown to me mentally outsourcing ‘thinking’ in general. I feel my critical thinking and ability to sit and reason about a problem or a design has degraded because the all-knowing-dalai-llama is just a question away from giving me his take. And supposedly I tell myself ill just use it for inspiration but it ends up being my only thought. It gives you the illusion of productivity and expertise but at the end of the day you are more divorced from the output you submit than before.”
                                https://www.404media.co/software-developers-say-ai-is-rotting-their-brains/

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                                @tante
                                Do we want to be smarter or dumber?

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                                • kaneel@mas.toK kaneel@mas.to

                                  @tante @davidgerard wood? where do you get the wood though? And who can pay for real wood in this economy… I had this thought lately and realised we're gearing toward a society where we go back to "working trades for the extra rich" (which is… already the case if you're working in software in one way or another)

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                                  @tante @davidgerard the honest answer is "bakeries", bakeries everywhere, at every corners… 

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                                  • eldersea@expressional.socialE eldersea@expressional.social

                                    @tante

                                    @davidgerard I want the challenge, the iteration, the growth, the development, the understandable and functional and fun end result. Flow state activities. Not... This.

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                                    @eldersea @tante @davidgerard

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                                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                      “It's making me dumber for sure,” the fintech software developer told me. “It's like when we got cellphones and stopped remembering phone numbers, but it's grown to me mentally outsourcing ‘thinking’ in general. I feel my critical thinking and ability to sit and reason about a problem or a design has degraded because the all-knowing-dalai-llama is just a question away from giving me his take. And supposedly I tell myself ill just use it for inspiration but it ends up being my only thought. It gives you the illusion of productivity and expertise but at the end of the day you are more divorced from the output you submit than before.”
                                      https://www.404media.co/software-developers-say-ai-is-rotting-their-brains/

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                                      @tante

                                      I'm one of the team leads at my current job and just had this argument with other engineers as to why I don't use AI. People are outsourcing their thinking, destroying the environment, and giving over info willingly to these dumb companies.

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                                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                        “It's making me dumber for sure,” the fintech software developer told me. “It's like when we got cellphones and stopped remembering phone numbers, but it's grown to me mentally outsourcing ‘thinking’ in general. I feel my critical thinking and ability to sit and reason about a problem or a design has degraded because the all-knowing-dalai-llama is just a question away from giving me his take. And supposedly I tell myself ill just use it for inspiration but it ends up being my only thought. It gives you the illusion of productivity and expertise but at the end of the day you are more divorced from the output you submit than before.”
                                        https://www.404media.co/software-developers-say-ai-is-rotting-their-brains/

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                                        @tante There is similar equation for all automation. In my career in aviation (now retired) there is a direct correlation to losing some level of flying skills by overly relying on the autopilot.

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                                        • eldersea@expressional.socialE eldersea@expressional.social

                                          @tante

                                          @davidgerard I want the challenge, the iteration, the growth, the development, the understandable and functional and fun end result. Flow state activities. Not... This.

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                                          @eldersea @tante @davidgerard I just love the Sci-Fi stories about civilizations who forget how to do stuff because they gave it to the computer to do, and of course, the computer goes rogue. In a similar tone, how shipping all the manufacturing out of the country leaves you with no one in your country or at least no wide spread expertise who knows how to manufacture and zero capacity for emergencies like a war. Great security moves. /S

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