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Car just drove by and one of the guys in it made the πŸˆπŸ‘… gesture out the window at me.

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  • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

    Car just drove by and one of the guys in it made the πŸˆπŸ‘… gesture out the window at me.

    Not sure if it was an observation based on my aesthetic, or the threat of a 🐰good time🐰, but either way...guys, this is why y'all're still single.

    sebastian@mastodon.sebfox.netS This user is from outside of this forum
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    @alice Are you addressing *all* "guys"? I'm a "guy", but neither do I drive an insult on four wheels (also called "car"), nor am I single. πŸ™‚

    The shame of being a "human being" is enough already!

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    • sebastian@mastodon.sebfox.netS sebastian@mastodon.sebfox.net

      @alice Are you addressing *all* "guys"? I'm a "guy", but neither do I drive an insult on four wheels (also called "car"), nor am I single. πŸ™‚

      The shame of being a "human being" is enough already!

      alice@lgbtqia.spaceA This user is from outside of this forum
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      #12

      @sebastian if you felt called out, it might have been about you; otherwise, it wasn't.

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      • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

        @sebastian if you felt called out, it might have been about you; otherwise, it wasn't.

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        #13

        @alice I obviously didn't, otherwise I wouldn't have spoken up. I just wanted to point out the word "all" in your posting. I understand your sentiment, please understand mine.

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        • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

          @gbargoud WTAF?!

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          #14

          @alice

          The bad experiences are rare but *extremely* memorable.

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          • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

            Car just drove by and one of the guys in it made the πŸˆπŸ‘… gesture out the window at me.

            Not sure if it was an observation based on my aesthetic, or the threat of a 🐰good time🐰, but either way...guys, this is why y'all're still single.

            dodothedev@front-end.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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            #15

            @alice
            Yuk, I don't get people (sadly, mostly men) like this.
            Its like the men on dating apps who will start a conversation with a dick pic. Why?! Am I really old, because its just not how you talk to people (of any gender). Even _if_ this is your ultimate goal.

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            • sebastian@mastodon.sebfox.netS sebastian@mastodon.sebfox.net

              @alice I obviously didn't, otherwise I wouldn't have spoken up. I just wanted to point out the word "all" in your posting. I understand your sentiment, please understand mine.

              aprazeth@mstdn.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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              @sebastian

              Opposed to calling out the behavior of the male individual, or expressing support for the original poster, you felt the need to state that you disagree with the addition of the word "all",while agreeing that you weren't mentioned or targeted by said word?

              Does that about cover it? I am trying to make sure I understand this correctly.

              @alice

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              • aprazeth@mstdn.socialA aprazeth@mstdn.social

                @sebastian

                Opposed to calling out the behavior of the male individual, or expressing support for the original poster, you felt the need to state that you disagree with the addition of the word "all",while agreeing that you weren't mentioned or targeted by said word?

                Does that about cover it? I am trying to make sure I understand this correctly.

                @alice

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                #17

                @Aprazeth Not quite. Not being targeted was my personal opinion. I didn't say, all men are single. That wasn't me.

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                • aprazeth@mstdn.socialA aprazeth@mstdn.social

                  @sebastian

                  Opposed to calling out the behavior of the male individual, or expressing support for the original poster, you felt the need to state that you disagree with the addition of the word "all",while agreeing that you weren't mentioned or targeted by said word?

                  Does that about cover it? I am trying to make sure I understand this correctly.

                  @alice

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                  @Aprazeth @alice Because I'm seeking distance to my fellow human-beings, that's why I take offence in the word "all". TBH: I'm ashamed to be one of us.

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                  • gbargoud@masto.nycG gbargoud@masto.nyc

                    @alice

                    The bad experiences are rare but *extremely* memorable.

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                    @gbargoud πŸ«‚

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                    • aprazeth@mstdn.socialA aprazeth@mstdn.social

                      @sebastian

                      Someone is the victim of sexual harassment and you are offended by their use of the term "all", even if you again admitted to not identifying as being addressed.

                      And you express that by negging the victim. Not by expressing any kind of sympathy, not by distancing yourself from the sexual harassment, but by publicly declaring that it isn't all men doing that.

                      @alice

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                      @sebastian

                      Not sexually harassing someone isn't an achievement worthy of praise. Its being a decent person. Kind of like showing sympathy towards a victim.

                      Well, unless apparently the victim doesn't conform to the criteria of being all proper and trim with their wording. Let's ignore the fact that they experienced a traumatic event - because they used the wrong words.

                      What's next? Asking what they were wearing? Because they might have provoked it and called it upon themselves?

                      @alice

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                      • sebastian@mastodon.sebfox.netS sebastian@mastodon.sebfox.net

                        @Aprazeth @alice Because I'm seeking distance to my fellow human-beings, that's why I take offence in the word "all". TBH: I'm ashamed to be one of us.

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                        @sebastian

                        Someone is the victim of sexual harassment and you are offended by their use of the term "all", even if you again admitted to not identifying as being addressed.

                        And you express that by negging the victim. Not by expressing any kind of sympathy, not by distancing yourself from the sexual harassment, but by publicly declaring that it isn't all men doing that.

                        @alice

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                        • aprazeth@mstdn.socialA aprazeth@mstdn.social

                          @sebastian

                          Not sexually harassing someone isn't an achievement worthy of praise. Its being a decent person. Kind of like showing sympathy towards a victim.

                          Well, unless apparently the victim doesn't conform to the criteria of being all proper and trim with their wording. Let's ignore the fact that they experienced a traumatic event - because they used the wrong words.

                          What's next? Asking what they were wearing? Because they might have provoked it and called it upon themselves?

                          @alice

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                          @sebastian

                          You have very clearly distanced yourself.

                          Not from the sexual harassment
                          Not from the perpetrator

                          But from any form of decency towards an actual victim.

                          I wanted to believe that there was a misunderstanding, yet it is clear there is not.

                          I bid you adieu.

                          @alice

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                          • aprazeth@mstdn.socialA aprazeth@mstdn.social

                            @sebastian

                            Not sexually harassing someone isn't an achievement worthy of praise. Its being a decent person. Kind of like showing sympathy towards a victim.

                            Well, unless apparently the victim doesn't conform to the criteria of being all proper and trim with their wording. Let's ignore the fact that they experienced a traumatic event - because they used the wrong words.

                            What's next? Asking what they were wearing? Because they might have provoked it and called it upon themselves?

                            @alice

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                            @Aprazeth @alice I've been harassed and called out myself, back then, when I was still young and handsome. It happens to men too, you know? I know how it is.

                            Just don't associate me with "them", or "all" and all is good.

                            Chill out!

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                            • aprazeth@mstdn.socialA aprazeth@mstdn.social

                              @sebastian

                              You have very clearly distanced yourself.

                              Not from the sexual harassment
                              Not from the perpetrator

                              But from any form of decency towards an actual victim.

                              I wanted to believe that there was a misunderstanding, yet it is clear there is not.

                              I bid you adieu.

                              @alice

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                              @Aprazeth @alice Adieu! πŸ™‚

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                              • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                Car just drove by and one of the guys in it made the πŸˆπŸ‘… gesture out the window at me.

                                Not sure if it was an observation based on my aesthetic, or the threat of a 🐰good time🐰, but either way...guys, this is why y'all're still single.

                                rbphotographic@mastodon.worldR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @alice I never realised how bad it was for women until my wife had me follow her at a discreet distance while she was jogging on her own. I learnt why she only went jogging with me and that many men should not be allowed out into the world with supervision.

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                                • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                  Car just drove by and one of the guys in it made the πŸˆπŸ‘… gesture out the window at me.

                                  Not sure if it was an observation based on my aesthetic, or the threat of a 🐰good time🐰, but either way...guys, this is why y'all're still single.

                                  aprazeth@mstdn.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @alice
                                  I am so so sorry you had to deal with that. I am here for you if you need anything at all

                                  To the men, **all men**, when someone you know does this: tell them very clearly that that behavior is disgusting and unacceptable.

                                  There is no justification for that behavior, and it is nothing short of sexual harassment.

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                                  • rbphotographic@mastodon.worldR rbphotographic@mastodon.world

                                    @alice I never realised how bad it was for women until my wife had me follow her at a discreet distance while she was jogging on her own. I learnt why she only went jogging with me and that many men should not be allowed out into the world with supervision.

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                                    That’s a really powerful observation. It hits hard when you experience it firsthand β€” seeing the constant need to be cautious and aware just to feel safe. It’s one thing to read about it or hear stories, and another to actually follow someone and realize how vulnerable everyday activities like jogging can be. Your insight also underscores the broader point: personal safety isn’t just about individual responsibility, it’s a societal issue that requires all of us to rethink behavior.

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                                      @alice I never realised how bad it was for women until my wife had me follow her at a discreet distance while she was jogging on her own. I learnt why she only went jogging with me and that many men should not be allowed out into the world with supervision.

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                                      @rbphotographic
                                      It's real, friend. If I go for a run, I either do it at the gym (although theres no guarantee I wont be harassed there either) or I carefully plan a route and time where I know the risks are minimised/CCTV/other people around. Even then, a high percentage of the time you're getting some dickhead calling out or gesticulating.
                                      Yet when you talk about 'male privilege' some still deny it exists.
                                      @alice

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                                      • rbphotographic@mastodon.worldR rbphotographic@mastodon.world

                                        @alice I never realised how bad it was for women until my wife had me follow her at a discreet distance while she was jogging on her own. I learnt why she only went jogging with me and that many men should not be allowed out into the world with supervision.

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                                        @rbphotographic @alice Same for my wife and I. There are certain gas stations she avoids because of where they are and the type of men who frequent them. We also always go food shopping together or I go by myself because she ALWAYS has something happen.

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                                        • aprazeth@mstdn.socialA aprazeth@mstdn.social

                                          @alice
                                          I am so so sorry you had to deal with that. I am here for you if you need anything at all

                                          To the men, **all men**, when someone you know does this: tell them very clearly that that behavior is disgusting and unacceptable.

                                          There is no justification for that behavior, and it is nothing short of sexual harassment.

                                          spiegelmama@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          @Aprazeth I don't speak for Alice, obviously, but I appreciate your stepping in and handling Mr. Not All Men. I don't think he got it, but you gave him a fair chance. And Alice, ugh, what a creep.
                                          @alice

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