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I’ve been asked on TV hits and interviews lately to explain why decentralized social media is better, especially re: Mastodon.

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  • tamtam@mastodon.deT tamtam@mastodon.de

    @n_dimension @taylorlorenz @_elena what would have to happen , for a video like this one to be watchable in the sense, that it does not get interrupted every 1,5 seconds and doesn't need 10 min. to load in the first place?

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    @taylorlorenz @_elena @Tamtam

    Sorry, shitty hosting, I'll get one from YouTube(!)
    But only that's because I'm too sloppy to find other fediverse posts...

    ... Thanks for the feedback though, C44 peertube is running on a bottom tier VPS, it's an experiment

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YRJHIJy5Nno

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    • taylorlorenz@mastodon.socialT taylorlorenz@mastodon.social

      I’ve been asked on TV hits and interviews lately to explain why decentralized social media is better, especially re: Mastodon.

      How would you explain the benefits of a platform like Mastodon and the fediverse to someone in just a few sentences? How would you make the argument that platforms like Mastodon allow for more free expression than big tech controlled apps?

      Would love to hear people’s thoughts! Trying to make my arguments most effective

      shellsharks@shellsharks.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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      @taylorlorenz Not succinct, but I've documented a bunch of things great about ActivityPub/Fediverse/Mastodon here - https://shellsharks.com/notes/2023/11/16/hark-threaders-the-fediverse-is-good-for-you

      Notably though, Fedi offers two things you can't get with traditional centralized platforms.

      - Deplatforming / censorship resistance (you can't still be blocked by instances or removed from an instance, but you can always stand up your own and connect with the rest of the network that hasn't blocked you)
      - Portability of your following

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      • taylorlorenz@mastodon.socialT taylorlorenz@mastodon.social

        I’ve been asked on TV hits and interviews lately to explain why decentralized social media is better, especially re: Mastodon.

        How would you explain the benefits of a platform like Mastodon and the fediverse to someone in just a few sentences? How would you make the argument that platforms like Mastodon allow for more free expression than big tech controlled apps?

        Would love to hear people’s thoughts! Trying to make my arguments most effective

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        #287

        @taylorlorenz decentralised social media is just the online equivalent of how people socialised offline.
        It's like chatting with friends without being constantly interrupted by a salesperson trying to sell you something.

        It's like being able to hang out a a party and choose who you spend time with, instead of the host constantly grabbing you by the arm, dragging you away from the person you were talking to and saying "here's a person you should be speaking to". And introducing you to some random person who immediately starts telling you everything that's wrong with your eating habits, your relationships, and your pets.

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        • krupo@infosec.exchangeK krupo@infosec.exchange

          @RowinSpeez @taylorlorenz @nikatjef no centrally pumped forced ads, but I'd legitimately want to know which server has tried this.

          I did a cursory search and this was a top hit that barely answered the question

          Link Preview Image

          favicon

          (www.reddit.com)

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          @krupo
          I don't recall the names of the servers where I saw the advertisements, but IIRC, I only ever saw them in the local timelines.

          Please remember that there are three different timelines you can watch, by default: your home timeline (which is defined by your choices), the federated timeline (which is inter-server toots), and the local timeline (which is toots by people on your server)

          @RowinSpeez @taylorlorenz

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          • taylorlorenz@mastodon.socialT taylorlorenz@mastodon.social

            I’ve been asked on TV hits and interviews lately to explain why decentralized social media is better, especially re: Mastodon.

            How would you explain the benefits of a platform like Mastodon and the fediverse to someone in just a few sentences? How would you make the argument that platforms like Mastodon allow for more free expression than big tech controlled apps?

            Would love to hear people’s thoughts! Trying to make my arguments most effective

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            The Fediverse, and Mastodon in particular, showcases what social media can be when designed for democratic dialogue rather than profit.

            It’s open source, so its rules and algorithms are transparent and accountable.

            No single company owns it, so no billionaire can unilaterally shape speech.

            It’s also interoperable, meaning people can move freely instead of being trapped in walled gardens.

            Because it doesn't depend on outrage for ad revenue, it fosters healthier, more civil conversations.

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            • taylorlorenz@mastodon.socialT taylorlorenz@mastodon.social

              I’ve been asked on TV hits and interviews lately to explain why decentralized social media is better, especially re: Mastodon.

              How would you explain the benefits of a platform like Mastodon and the fediverse to someone in just a few sentences? How would you make the argument that platforms like Mastodon allow for more free expression than big tech controlled apps?

              Would love to hear people’s thoughts! Trying to make my arguments most effective

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              #290

              @taylorlorenz
              Mastodon etc. are like a bulletin board on campus, or at work,
              or City Hall, or a public library, and you don't need permission from your employer, school administration, government etc. to post on it, and they can't take your posted stuff down. A friendly volunteer makes sure that there's not really nasty stuff posted. If you don't agree with what the volunteer might remove, you can always post your stuff to a different bulletin board.

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              • taylorlorenz@mastodon.socialT taylorlorenz@mastodon.social

                I’ve been asked on TV hits and interviews lately to explain why decentralized social media is better, especially re: Mastodon.

                How would you explain the benefits of a platform like Mastodon and the fediverse to someone in just a few sentences? How would you make the argument that platforms like Mastodon allow for more free expression than big tech controlled apps?

                Would love to hear people’s thoughts! Trying to make my arguments most effective

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                #291

                @taylorlorenz No "blue checks" are needed to prove account authenticity when the server instance is self-managed by a government/organisation/private-person. It's opt-in; you'll only see messages from those you follow, or what they boost, or from those on the same server. There's no single organization behind it with absolute power over the servers and it's data (no addictive algorithms), or that can suddenly change the rules after it becomes very successful.

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                • lshashaty@sfba.socialL lshashaty@sfba.social

                  @taylorlorenz No algorithm, no advertising. Completely customizable content.

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                  #292

                  @LShashaty @taylorlorenz That is the way, that is the only path to internet for good.

                  That is also why internet is, overall, huge net negative given user base of platforms like Instagram et al.

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                  • elborro@mastodon.socialE elborro@mastodon.social

                    @taylorlorenz No "blue checks" are needed to prove account authenticity when the server instance is self-managed by a government/organisation/private-person. It's opt-in; you'll only see messages from those you follow, or what they boost, or from those on the same server. There's no single organization behind it with absolute power over the servers and it's data (no addictive algorithms), or that can suddenly change the rules after it becomes very successful.

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                    @taylorlorenz I'm glad and happy to read what the people I follow are working on, dealing with, what thoughts and ideas they have, etc. That's what social media should be about. It's so much better than a timeline contaminated with ads and influencers you don't follow. It feels healthier, more natural.

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                    • taylorlorenz@mastodon.socialT taylorlorenz@mastodon.social

                      I’ve been asked on TV hits and interviews lately to explain why decentralized social media is better, especially re: Mastodon.

                      How would you explain the benefits of a platform like Mastodon and the fediverse to someone in just a few sentences? How would you make the argument that platforms like Mastodon allow for more free expression than big tech controlled apps?

                      Would love to hear people’s thoughts! Trying to make my arguments most effective

                      tokensane@mastodon.me.ukT This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #294

                      @taylorlorenz For me, "not owned by billionaires" is the key. I can use social media without an algorithm designed by a billionaire chum of Epstein shoving *his* favoured opinions into my feed, or shadowbanning me or closing my account for saying something that *he* disagrees with.

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                      • thedansimonson@lingo.lolT thedansimonson@lingo.lol

                        @taylorlorenz no one can buy the whole network and trash it

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                        @thedansimonson @taylorlorenz I'm betting that with a 44 billion buy in Elon could do whatever he wanted to fedi, flood anything server with so much traffic, takedown requests, legal threats, etc., to make running an instance unviable.

                        Like with most things, I think the audience that fedi has attracted, who tend to filter out other audiences, matters more than the tech it's built on.

                        It's the same with Nostr. Nostr isn't uniquely a Bitcoin thing, but it's filled with all the Bitcoin people cause that's what they went with.
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                        • taylorlorenz@mastodon.socialT taylorlorenz@mastodon.social

                          I’ve been asked on TV hits and interviews lately to explain why decentralized social media is better, especially re: Mastodon.

                          How would you explain the benefits of a platform like Mastodon and the fediverse to someone in just a few sentences? How would you make the argument that platforms like Mastodon allow for more free expression than big tech controlled apps?

                          Would love to hear people’s thoughts! Trying to make my arguments most effective

                          bumblefudge@activitypub.spaceB This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #296

                          @taylorlorenz@mastodon.social fancy meeting you here! big fan, read the book and everything.

                          this isn't at all what you asked for, but i wrote an essay once that might be useful in more of a bigpicture/media-industry context.

                          you might also find to check out (or interview) elena, who is kind of our resident fedifluencer <img class="not-responsive emoji" src="https://activitypub.space/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f49e.png?v=0b03a81bb1f" title="💞" />

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                          • parker@dsmc.spaceP parker@dsmc.space
                            @thedansimonson @taylorlorenz I'm betting that with a 44 billion buy in Elon could do whatever he wanted to fedi, flood anything server with so much traffic, takedown requests, legal threats, etc., to make running an instance unviable.

                            Like with most things, I think the audience that fedi has attracted, who tend to filter out other audiences, matters more than the tech it's built on.

                            It's the same with Nostr. Nostr isn't uniquely a Bitcoin thing, but it's filled with all the Bitcoin people cause that's what they went with.
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                            @parker @taylorlorenz you’re still talking about trying to capture hundreds of independent servers, which would only grow as efforts to take out the bigger servers started

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                            • philpetree@mastodon.socialP philpetree@mastodon.social

                              @cholling @taylorlorenz There are other ways... like redirecting before serving the page.

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                              @philpetree @taylorlorenz How does that stop crawlers (and not other traffic)?

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                              • aesthr@wandering.shopA aesthr@wandering.shop

                                @haubles I think this is very much a problem caused by the low level design of the fediverse. The way instances work in ActivityPub leads to a few people in powerful positions and that's very much an effect of the technology, not a purely social one.

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                                @aesthr @haubles I see instance/account as analogous to a landlord/tenant relationship. The single-user instances, I suppose are the homeowners. Self hosting costs money. It's small money, but it's money. I think the emerging wireless mesh networks have the right network topology but unfortunately have various proprietary softwares and firmwares in the stack, but it seems exciting, possibly more exciting than the fediverse.
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                                • wolvericcatkin@tech.lgbtW wolvericcatkin@tech.lgbt

                                  @weezmgk Yeah, it's been a core part of the platform as long as I've been a user (since 2022...?), but it's a process you need to actively initiate. I don't remember where it is exactly, but if you open the web app, there should be a section in your account settings, to initiate a migration and deactivate your existing account...

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                                  @WolvericCatkin @weezmgk I crashed just after I found out my instance was shutting down, and by the time I was well enough to come back it was gone and I couldn't migrate anything. Thanks, #LongCovid.

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                                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                    @davew

                                    have you seen our cat pictures?

                                    no finer cat pictures

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                                    @benroyce @davew And the most alt-text-encouraging culture in cyberspace.
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                                    • ben@social.ben.ieB ben@social.ben.ie

                                      @taylorlorenz as a platform it is not and can never be adversarial or extractive to you as a user, the way twitter, Facebook, instagram, TikTok and others are or will be.

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                                      @taylorlorenz @ben Certainly non-adversarial data export was a distant memory before I found the fediverse.
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                                      • taylorlorenz@mastodon.socialT taylorlorenz@mastodon.social

                                        I’ve been asked on TV hits and interviews lately to explain why decentralized social media is better, especially re: Mastodon.

                                        How would you explain the benefits of a platform like Mastodon and the fediverse to someone in just a few sentences? How would you make the argument that platforms like Mastodon allow for more free expression than big tech controlled apps?

                                        Would love to hear people’s thoughts! Trying to make my arguments most effective

                                        robotistry@mstdn.caR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @taylorlorenz

                                        Twitter was like being stuck on a cable news panel of people shouting at each other. Every interaction was fraught and involved people obsessed with correcting or reinforcing each other's opinions.

                                        Mastodon is like a coffee break at a conference. Like walking through a constant stream of interesting conversations that I can drift in and out of without fuss or pressure.

                                        I don't have to surf an emotional high as I scroll. People here read posts all the way through and engage intellectually and emotionally instead of only emotionally.

                                        And I curate my timeline, so I can manage how much emotional exhaustion I'm willing to incur and I mostly don't get random crap that infuriates me or is designed to upset me.

                                        There are still microbloggers, and there are moderation problems, but Mastodon doesn't track "influence" so I don't get many influencers in my feed.

                                        It's restful.

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                                        • n_dimension@infosec.exchangeN n_dimension@infosec.exchange

                                          @taylorlorenz @_elena @Tamtam

                                          Sorry, shitty hosting, I'll get one from YouTube(!)
                                          But only that's because I'm too sloppy to find other fediverse posts...

                                          ... Thanks for the feedback though, C44 peertube is running on a bottom tier VPS, it's an experiment

                                          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YRJHIJy5Nno

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                                          @_elena @Tamtam @n_dimension @taylorlorenz C44 appears to be #ytdlp compatible and therefore works for me. It's on my playlist for tonite.
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