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GrapheneOS is an open source project.

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    GrapheneOS is an open source project. Open source means it can be modified and used for any purpose including commercial ones. People making forks of GrapheneOS are supposed to rebrand it and make it clear that it's not the official GrapheneOS but rather a derivative of it.

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      GrapheneOS is an open source project. Open source means it can be modified and used for any purpose including commercial ones. People making forks of GrapheneOS are supposed to rebrand it and make it clear that it's not the official GrapheneOS but rather a derivative of it.

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      A bunch of companies and individuals have sold devices with GrapheneOS or a fork of it. Many companies making forks of GrapheneOS haven't complied with our open source licenses and our separate rules for usage of our trademarks which we've been actively addressing for years.

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      • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

        A bunch of companies and individuals have sold devices with GrapheneOS or a fork of it. Many companies making forks of GrapheneOS haven't complied with our open source licenses and our separate rules for usage of our trademarks which we've been actively addressing for years.

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        From 2018 through around 2021, Abdoul Rasnab sold devices with his own proprietary fork of GrapheneOS. That's 4 years after the project was started. He had no involvement in creating or founding GrapheneOS. He also didn't write absolutely any of the GrapheneOS project's code.

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        • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

          From 2018 through around 2021, Abdoul Rasnab sold devices with his own proprietary fork of GrapheneOS. That's 4 years after the project was started. He had no involvement in creating or founding GrapheneOS. He also didn't write absolutely any of the GrapheneOS project's code.

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          Abdoul Rasnab said he wanted to support us and committed to providing a portion of the sales of devices. We had no formal business deal. He didn't need a commercial license to use GrapheneOS. We thought it was someone being generous, although he didn't end up sending most of it.

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          • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

            Abdoul Rasnab said he wanted to support us and committed to providing a portion of the sales of devices. We had no formal business deal. He didn't need a commercial license to use GrapheneOS. We thought it was someone being generous, although he didn't end up sending most of it.

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            Abdoul Rasnab repeatedly misrepresented himself as a creator or founder of GrapheneOS on LinkedIn and elsewhere. He repeatedly agreed to stop but never followed through. Later, we found out he built his whole business around misrepresenting himself as having created GrapheneOS.

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            • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

              Abdoul Rasnab repeatedly misrepresented himself as a creator or founder of GrapheneOS on LinkedIn and elsewhere. He repeatedly agreed to stop but never followed through. Later, we found out he built his whole business around misrepresenting himself as having created GrapheneOS.

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              He used GrapheneOS as the name for his proprietary fork of GrapheneOS and also named his company founded in the Netherlands GrapheneOS. He didn't have authorization to do this and was misleading us about what he was doing and how he was presenting his involvement in GrapheneOS.

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              • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                He used GrapheneOS as the name for his proprietary fork of GrapheneOS and also named his company founded in the Netherlands GrapheneOS. He didn't have authorization to do this and was misleading us about what he was doing and how he was presenting his involvement in GrapheneOS.

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                He took advantage of the fact that we were incredibly busy and under huge pressure from attacks by Copperhead. He acted as if he was supporting us while actually taking advantage of us and pretending he had created the open source project he didn't write 1 line of code in.

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                • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                  He took advantage of the fact that we were incredibly busy and under huge pressure from attacks by Copperhead. He acted as if he was supporting us while actually taking advantage of us and pretending he had created the open source project he didn't write 1 line of code in.

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                  He did multiple interviews in Dutch with media in the Netherlands where he misrepresented himself as being the founder and creator of GrapheneOS. He told his customers he was the creator of GrapheneOS and that devices running a fork from him were using the official GrapheneOS.

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                    He did multiple interviews in Dutch with media in the Netherlands where he misrepresented himself as being the founder and creator of GrapheneOS. He told his customers he was the creator of GrapheneOS and that devices running a fork from him were using the official GrapheneOS.

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                    @GrapheneOS That's messed up. Is he still doing this?

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                    • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                      He did multiple interviews in Dutch with media in the Netherlands where he misrepresented himself as being the founder and creator of GrapheneOS. He told his customers he was the creator of GrapheneOS and that devices running a fork from him were using the official GrapheneOS.

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                      @GrapheneOS what do you think about legal action against him / his non-compliant fork ?

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                      • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                        He did multiple interviews in Dutch with media in the Netherlands where he misrepresented himself as being the founder and creator of GrapheneOS. He told his customers he was the creator of GrapheneOS and that devices running a fork from him were using the official GrapheneOS.

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                        To this day, Abdoul Rasnab misrepresents himself as a founder of GrapheneOS. He even portrays himself as being actively involved in the project. He makes many extraordinarily claims about himself unrelated to GrapheneOS which help to contextualize the claims about GrapheneOS.

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                        • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                          To this day, Abdoul Rasnab misrepresents himself as a founder of GrapheneOS. He even portrays himself as being actively involved in the project. He makes many extraordinarily claims about himself unrelated to GrapheneOS which help to contextualize the claims about GrapheneOS.

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                          His proprietary fork of GrapheneOS and his company both wrongly reusing the name of the project he forked only existed from around 2018 through 2021. The part that's still ongoing is that he keeps reverting back to promoting himself by claiming to have founded GrapheneOS.

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                          • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                            His proprietary fork of GrapheneOS and his company both wrongly reusing the name of the project he forked only existed from around 2018 through 2021. The part that's still ongoing is that he keeps reverting back to promoting himself by claiming to have founded GrapheneOS.

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                            Back in 2018, we renamed CopperheadOS to the Android Hardening Project as a placeholder and told people we were deciding on a new name. Abdoul Rasnab was one of multiple people who suggested GrapheneOS as a name. He seems to think that somehow made into his project post-rename.

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                            • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                              Back in 2018, we renamed CopperheadOS to the Android Hardening Project as a placeholder and told people we were deciding on a new name. Abdoul Rasnab was one of multiple people who suggested GrapheneOS as a name. He seems to think that somehow made into his project post-rename.

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                              We ended up having to purchase the grapheneos.com domain including the rights to the name. Run a WHOIS or RDAP check on grapheneos.com and you'll see it was registered in 2014. There was also a name collision with an academic project which renamed themselves.

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                              • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                                We ended up having to purchase the grapheneos.com domain including the rights to the name. Run a WHOIS or RDAP check on grapheneos.com and you'll see it was registered in 2014. There was also a name collision with an academic project which renamed themselves.

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                                The person who sold us the grapheneos.com domain with the original rights to the name only charged us around $500 to cover their costs along with wanting a phone running GrapheneOS and accepted an old used one. It's possible they're now a GrapheneOS and supporter.

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                                • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                                  The person who sold us the grapheneos.com domain with the original rights to the name only charged us around $500 to cover their costs along with wanting a phone running GrapheneOS and accepted an old used one. It's possible they're now a GrapheneOS and supporter.

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                                  Abdoul Rasnab misrepresented himself as creating and founding the project in order to gain an advantage over other companies selling devices with GrapheneOS. He had conflicts with those companies and he did things such as filing DMCA takedowns in our name without authorization.

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                                  • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                                    Abdoul Rasnab misrepresented himself as creating and founding the project in order to gain an advantage over other companies selling devices with GrapheneOS. He had conflicts with those companies and he did things such as filing DMCA takedowns in our name without authorization.

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                                    He created a proprietary fork of GrapheneOS and founded a company selling phones with it in Europe. He was allowed to fork GrapheneOS and sell it but absolutely shouldn't have used the same name as the upstream project. He's passing this off as having created/founded GrapheneOS.

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                                    • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                                      @GrapheneOS That's messed up. Is he still doing this?

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                                      @Gina @GrapheneOS Yes, it seems he still is.bi found him on LinkedIn.

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                                        He created a proprietary fork of GrapheneOS and founded a company selling phones with it in Europe. He was allowed to fork GrapheneOS and sell it but absolutely shouldn't have used the same name as the upstream project. He's passing this off as having created/founded GrapheneOS.

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                                        Abdoul Rasnab previously tried to extort us by coming up with fabricated stories about us and claiming he would ruin our reputation pushing those in the media. He backed down and he once again stopped wrongly calling himself a founder of the project but now he's back to doing it.

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                                        • mek2600@infosec.exchangeM mek2600@infosec.exchange

                                          @Gina @GrapheneOS Yes, it seems he still is.bi found him on LinkedIn.

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                                          @Gina @GrapheneOS

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