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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can.

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  • bredroll@mas.toB bredroll@mas.to

    @prism @zzt maybe also vending machines, parking ticket machines, anything that contains a computer with software or firmware

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    @Bredroll @prism @zzt smart watches and fitness trackers.

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    • jens@social.finkhaeuser.deJ jens@social.finkhaeuser.de

      @Bredroll @prism @zzt smart watches and fitness trackers.

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      @Bredroll @prism @zzt smart cat toys.

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      • sinvega@mas.toS sinvega@mas.to

        @zzt "it's just a little x, it's just one y"

        IT IS NEVER "Just" ANYTHING IF IT IS MORE THAN NOTHING. FUCK YOU.

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        @sinvega @zzt yup, those people always skip the sociological aspects of things we use everyday. Guillotine is just a blade with guard rails, is something only an engineer with no interest in history would say.

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        • bredroll@mas.toB bredroll@mas.to

          @prism @zzt i wonder if one route towards overturning these stupid laws is to challenge them in legally accurate but utterly, obviously stupid cases.

          like, citing the definition of an "operating system/vendor/developer" to sue CCTV manufacturers or home thermostats or cooking appliances or refrigerators or washing machines for non compliance

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          @Bredroll
          And when the court rules that the law dies not apply to CCTV, my new Linux distribute will be targeted to AMD64 based CCTV camera systems.
          @prism @zzt

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          • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

            “software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like,” I said, from a linux system that can play and encode MP3s

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            @zzt “anyone can ignore laws that aren’t enforced”, I said, as I blatantly jaywalked across another street

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            • yacc143@mastodon.socialY yacc143@mastodon.social

              @Bredroll
              And when the court rules that the law dies not apply to CCTV, my new Linux distribute will be targeted to AMD64 based CCTV camera systems.
              @prism @zzt

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              @Bredroll
              The funny thing with this that's these laws are practically never capable to correctly define what the fascists want and don't want.

              They literally require selective enforcement.
              @prism @zzt

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              • bredroll@mas.toB bredroll@mas.to

                @prism @zzt maybe also vending machines, parking ticket machines, anything that contains a computer with software or firmware

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                @Bredroll @zzt Absolutely. Free software can lawyer up like anyone else.

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                • sabik@rants.auS sabik@rants.au

                  @zzt @jwz
                  Famously, Jewish religion was "just a column in the database" in Nazi-occupied France

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Carmille

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                  @sabik @zzt @jwz “He also hacked his own machines, reprogramming them so that they’d never punch information from Column 11 [where citizens were asked to indicate their religion] onto any census card”

                  People who make software have a duty to follow his example.

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                  • losttourist@social.chatty.monsterL losttourist@social.chatty.monster

                    @schrotthaufen @zzt @MrBerard Yes, and? If people comply, then they comply. If they don't, they don't. That's literally the whole point, it's up to each individual server operator / user to decide if they wish to play ball or not.

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                    @losttourist @schrotthaufen @zzt @MrBerard until suddenly there's a law in place that mandates your distro, which probably uses shim, will only be able to get a signed cert from Microsoft's UEFI CA signing service when it has submitted its age-verification for review.
                    And of course, since we gotta protect the children and generally increase security, now every new system sold must enforce UEFI Secure Boot with a strictly regulated set of platform keys.

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                    • helielo@mastodon.socialH helielo@mastodon.social

                      @sabik @zzt @jwz “He also hacked his own machines, reprogramming them so that they’d never punch information from Column 11 [where citizens were asked to indicate their religion] onto any census card”

                      People who make software have a duty to follow his example.

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                      @helielo @sabik @zzt @jwz but what if we compressed the kill chain instead

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                      • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                        “software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers

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                        @zzt Well, I mean the great thing is that Open Source means I can mod it myself.

                        Linux SystemD already ships Age Verification (fucking SystemD) code, and it's already been nullified with a script.

                        Ok so Linux is in compliance (tho I don't think it should bother, fuck age verification laws) when it Ships, but *I* have *Every* right to alter that code on *MY* fucking computer.

                        And I do. You don't need to know who I am or my age for me to use The Intertubes. Fuck that.

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                        • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                          “software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers

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                          @zzt I've been a Linux user for a couple decades now. There have been changes I wasn't excited about in that time, but none of them was a hill that I felt was worth dying on. This hill though? This hill looks pretty good.

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                          • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                            “software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers

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                            @zzt sadly, universally ignored laws also give cops absolute discretionary power to enforce at will.

                            Only the weak suffer, corps can shrug it off.

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                            • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                              “software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers

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                              @zzt "software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like," I said, while playing a BluRay disc on my Linux system (`mpv`, `vlc`, etc.).

                              ...And ripping said discs to my NAS (`handbrake`).

                              ...And saving local copies of YouTube videos (`yt-dlp`).

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                              • pixelrobot@neopaquita.esP pixelrobot@neopaquita.es

                                @zzt Relax, man. It's just a numerical identifier in a database. It's harmless.

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                                [Edwin Black is the New York Times bestselling and award-winning author of IBM and the Holocaust, and the forthcoming book, The Plan--How to Save America the Day after the Oil Stops— or Perhaps the Day Before (Dialog Press, September 2008). This essay was adapted from a 2001 article which originally appeared in the Village Voice and syndicated thereafter, which received the award for Best Investigative Article of the Year by American Society of Journalists and Authors.] In August 1943, a t

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                                @PixelRobot @zzt

                                "IBM did not sell any of its punch card machines to Nazi Germany. The equipment was leased by the month. Each month, often more frequently, authorized repairmen, working directly for or trained by IBM, serviced the machines on-site-whether in the middle of Berlin or at a concentration camp."

                                Holy crap.

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                                • hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH hipsterelectron@circumstances.run

                                  @zzt READ IBM AND THE HOLOCAUST MOTHERFUCKERS! THE NUMBER TATTOOS WERE AN ENTRY IN THE IBM HOLLERITH PUNCH CARDS

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                                  @hipsterelectron @zzt Nazi Nexus by the same author is a good overview of US corporate inspiration for, collusion with, and enablement of the Nazis.

                                  A lot of familiar notes ringing with the present and I was reading it in ~2017.

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                                    @violetmadder @hipsterelectron @zzt It does what it is intended to, protect social media companies from liability. Without even mentioning social media.

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                                    • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                                      “software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like,” I said, tapping the icon on my phone that summons an unlicensed taxi

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                                      @zzt corporations can ignore laws they don't like. software can't do anything. people implementing software that violates the law invites risk of punishment, and ignoring that does nothing but alienate them. the fact that taking the risk is in this case the morally correct thing to do does not erase that.

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                                      • shitpostalotl@axfedi.derg.restS shitpostalotl@axfedi.derg.rest

                                        @zzt corporations can ignore laws they don't like. software can't do anything. people implementing software that violates the law invites risk of punishment, and ignoring that does nothing but alienate them. the fact that taking the risk is in this case the morally correct thing to do does not erase that.

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                                        @shitpostalotl maybe you should stick to hacker news with tepid fucking takes like “software can’t do anything, don’t resist or you’ll get in trouble”, those assholes will clap like seals

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                                        • springdiesel@spore.socialS springdiesel@spore.social

                                          @PixelRobot @zzt

                                          "IBM did not sell any of its punch card machines to Nazi Germany. The equipment was leased by the month. Each month, often more frequently, authorized repairmen, working directly for or trained by IBM, serviced the machines on-site-whether in the middle of Berlin or at a concentration camp."

                                          Holy crap.

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                                          @springdiesel @PixelRobot @zzt The guy that okayed all that was named Watson.

                                          When IBM was on the cutting age of LLM research, before everyone else passed them, they called their LLM Watson.

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