“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can.
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@RnDanger My general take on the situation is this: I'm not happy that systemd is complying in advance. That is stupid and we should fight this crap. The _reason_ they introduced it is actually far more worrying (they're talking about *consumers* of that field being stuff like flatpak) and IMO is where the discussion should be focused because those components are far more integrated into general user-facing systems.
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@RnDanger Like, the problem with systemd introducing this isn't the place they introduced it, but rather their rationale for doing so (and not just preemptive compliance). It is just wrong to say that userdbd is some integral system component (it is *not*), but it's a reasonable worry that it might soon *become* something integral. That worry is tied to the steps other components (such as flatpak!) have been taking in this direction, which IMO is far more worrying.
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@zzt @MrBerard "age verification code" is a bit of a grandiose term for a field that can store a value and retrieve a value. There is nothing anywhere in systemd that determines how (or even if) a distro decides what value to put into that field.
Even if it does get used by a distro, it is likely to be something along the lines of
"please enter your age. don't lie because that would be naughty > "when creating a new user account.
@losttourist @zzt @MrBerard I’m sure it will stop right there, said the credulous fool.
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@Unlikelylass @zzt Always has been
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@zzt "it's just a little x, it's just one y"
IT IS NEVER "Just" ANYTHING IF IT IS MORE THAN NOTHING. FUCK YOU.
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@prism @zzt i wonder if one route towards overturning these stupid laws is to challenge them in legally accurate but utterly, obviously stupid cases.
like, citing the definition of an "operating system/vendor/developer" to sue CCTV manufacturers or home thermostats or cooking appliances or refrigerators or washing machines for non compliance
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like,” I said, from a linux system that can play and encode MP3s
@zzt “anyone can ignore laws that aren’t enforced”, I said, as I blatantly jaywalked across another street
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@schrotthaufen @zzt @MrBerard Yes, and? If people comply, then they comply. If they don't, they don't. That's literally the whole point, it's up to each individual server operator / user to decide if they wish to play ball or not.
@losttourist @schrotthaufen @zzt @MrBerard until suddenly there's a law in place that mandates your distro, which probably uses shim, will only be able to get a signed cert from Microsoft's UEFI CA signing service when it has submitted its age-verification for review.
And of course, since we gotta protect the children and generally increase security, now every new system sold must enforce UEFI Secure Boot with a strictly regulated set of platform keys. -
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
@zzt Well, I mean the great thing is that Open Source means I can mod it myself.
Linux SystemD already ships Age Verification (fucking SystemD) code, and it's already been nullified with a script.
Ok so Linux is in compliance (tho I don't think it should bother, fuck age verification laws) when it Ships, but *I* have *Every* right to alter that code on *MY* fucking computer.
And I do. You don't need to know who I am or my age for me to use The Intertubes. Fuck that.
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
@zzt I've been a Linux user for a couple decades now. There have been changes I wasn't excited about in that time, but none of them was a hill that I felt was worth dying on. This hill though? This hill looks pretty good.
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
@zzt sadly, universally ignored laws also give cops absolute discretionary power to enforce at will.
Only the weak suffer, corps can shrug it off.
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
@zzt "software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like," I said, while playing a BluRay disc on my Linux system (`mpv`, `vlc`, etc.).
...And ripping said discs to my NAS (`handbrake`).
...And saving local copies of YouTube videos (`yt-dlp`).
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@zzt Relax, man. It's just a numerical identifier in a database. It's harmless.
Edwin Black: Infamous Auschwitz Tattoo Began as an IBM Number
[Edwin Black is the New York Times bestselling and award-winning author of IBM and the Holocaust, and the forthcoming book, The Plan--How to Save America the Day after the Oil Stops— or Perhaps the Day Before (Dialog Press, September 2008). This essay was adapted from a 2001 article which originally appeared in the Village Voice and syndicated thereafter, which received the award for Best Investigative Article of the Year by American Society of Journalists and Authors.] In August 1943, a t
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"IBM did not sell any of its punch card machines to Nazi Germany. The equipment was leased by the month. Each month, often more frequently, authorized repairmen, working directly for or trained by IBM, serviced the machines on-site-whether in the middle of Berlin or at a concentration camp."
Holy crap.
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@zzt READ IBM AND THE HOLOCAUST MOTHERFUCKERS! THE NUMBER TATTOOS WERE AN ENTRY IN THE IBM HOLLERITH PUNCH CARDS
@hipsterelectron @zzt Nazi Nexus by the same author is a good overview of US corporate inspiration for, collusion with, and enablement of the Nazis.
A lot of familiar notes ringing with the present and I was reading it in ~2017.
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@violetmadder @hipsterelectron @zzt It does what it is intended to, protect social media companies from liability. Without even mentioning social media.
