“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can.
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feel free to fuck off with the “it’s just a field in a database, distros will make it a simple age gate during account creation” horseshit unless you come with an explanation of why that’ll work in a regulatory landscape where porn sites with age gates are currently under legal threat from states where an age gate isn’t a sufficient proof mechanism, to the point where some of them have started partnering with companies like (Thiel-backed) Persona for identity verification
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the US can’t implement gun registration in most jurisdictions because literally nobody complied with any of the attempts to enforce it but yeah sure we have to do age verification or else an entire industry built on our free software will switch to ??????
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@zzt in this case, it is really just a field in a database, because the bootlickers have not understood that they're not part of the club that gets to implement age verification.
Why should a website trust an age indication from a piece of software that might have been installed by a minor?
It was useful to see who the bootlickers are, and we should focus on getting them to understand which side of the walls they will be on when they come up.
@GyrosGeier it’s really embarrassing that you didn’t do even basic research on who implemented the feature (an odious little fucker who thinks google locking down Android is great too) or who approved it over the objections of his own community (a guy whose entire notable career has been with corporations that enable genocides) and have just assumed that the continuing fascist project to take over open source somehow stopped before it noticed linux
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
@zzt Unjust laws must be broken.
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
@zzt non-compliance in advance: https://agelesslinux.org/
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I cannot believe ITS got brought up as a counterpoint but welcome to mastodon I guess
@zzt I can't believe ITS was brought up, period.
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I cannot believe ITS got brought up as a counterpoint but welcome to mastodon I guess
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What the actual fuck?@kirtai I cursed myself with this post because right after someone tried to nitpick me to death on how because debian coincidentally doesn’t ship logind by default it’s misinformation to claim that anything in linux is doing age verification
somehow every type of mastodon reply guy is here in this thread and they all fucking love age verification
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@zzt I can't believe ITS was brought up, period.
@larsbrinkhoff fucking right? like shit I love ITS (I compiled a tape from your repo soon after I found out about it just to find out more about how ITS is built) but I don’t think I’ve ever brought it up in random casual conversation
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
@zzt The next step after "do not comply in advance" is "fuck you, make me".
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@kirtai I cursed myself with this post because right after someone tried to nitpick me to death on how because debian coincidentally doesn’t ship logind by default it’s misinformation to claim that anything in linux is doing age verification
somehow every type of mastodon reply guy is here in this thread and they all fucking love age verification
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Oh right, because debian is linux.
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I cannot believe ITS got brought up as a counterpoint but welcome to mastodon I guess
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@losttourist @zzt @MrBerard "just accept this tiny fragment of shit in your cereal. I promise you'll hardly taste it" (later, having accepted the shit) "now that we've established you'll accept a little shit, all your meals will consist of 50% shit as a cost containment strategy".
@perigee @zzt @MrBerard I will just repeat what Its FOSS said when the feature was merged:
In simple words, this is something that adds a new, optional field that can then be used by other open source projects like xdg-desktop-portal to build age verification compliance on top of, without systemd itself doing anything with the data or making it mandatory to provide
So yeah, that is what this change looks like, but this won't be stopping the haters and conspiracy theorists from making wild accusations, of course.
I don't know which hat you're wearing today ("hater" or "conspiracy theorist") but I do hope you enjoy the look.
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
@zzt it's really hard to drop the best alternative we had to Windows or MacOS. if only NetBSD is safe, we're really screwed cause we're practically back to square one. there is not a great deal of binary packages for NetBSD compared to all of the other free software ecosystems. it's kind of like deciding OS/2 will be your "daily driver" as they call it.
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“they can’t force FreeDOS or ITS users to implement age verification!” you know, I don’t think the fascists give a single fuck if you spend a relatively short period of time jacking around on increasingly expensive retro hardware before it dies and/or is priced out of your grasp. I think if they force you to do that as the only way to experience a computer you control, they’ve won.
@zzt typewriters ftw
gonna send all of my posts by paper airplane pretty soon
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@MrBerard the age verification code is already in systemd, a core component of most distros that owns the majority of the trusted boot chain and is designed to be very hard to fork, which tends to break other applications if you don’t keep up on updates
the current age verification code is designed to comply in advance with a California law, but age verification is under consideration for US and EU law almost in lockstep
@zzt @MrBerard@mastodon.acm.org
and now Canada too. fuck everything, destroy it all. let's live on the land again and catch real fish, smoke the meat, and eat in that sweet by and by.
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@zzt typewriters ftw
gonna send all of my posts by paper airplane pretty soon
@burnitdown watch, someone’s gonna post “let’s see the fascists come for my network of antique teletypes” like ?????
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
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Same logic that the germans used to get the jews. Everyone just accepted it. And if a group of people is a threat - like computer fuckers are - we get bribed and brainwashed with incel culture and corpospeak bullshit.Its literally that easy. Ask your cia case officer at any major us university how that works. They might even tell you.
The western world is a giant fucking psy op.
TL;DR: Start educating computer fuckers instead of blaming. Every westerner is either resistance or complicit
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@perigee @zzt @MrBerard I will just repeat what Its FOSS said when the feature was merged:
In simple words, this is something that adds a new, optional field that can then be used by other open source projects like xdg-desktop-portal to build age verification compliance on top of, without systemd itself doing anything with the data or making it mandatory to provide
So yeah, that is what this change looks like, but this won't be stopping the haters and conspiracy theorists from making wild accusations, of course.
I don't know which hat you're wearing today ("hater" or "conspiracy theorist") but I do hope you enjoy the look.
I feel my asking a naive question has landed me into what I'll euphemistically describe as a 'heated debate'.
I'm kinda seeing both sides, on the one hand slippery slope arguments have questionable validity ('did you know copper wires can enable a surveillance network?') but on the other, if this change doesn't constitute a move worth opposing to you, what event down the line would you actually oppose?
Oh, and folks, cooling the tone would be welcome here.
