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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can.

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  • anthk@neopaquita.esA anthk@neopaquita.es

    @davidgerard @zzt @MrBerard Not ITS but
    telnetting to SDF with Emacs it's a solved problem for Mastodon
    once you install 'mastodon' from ELPA.

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    @anthk @zzt @MrBerard i think you misunderstood our responses, we were both telling you to fuck off

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    • cap_ybarra@beige.partyC cap_ybarra@beige.party

      @zzt tbqh i'm surprised they are actually implementing the field instead of just asking an llm to guess my age and then never bothering to check if it works

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      @cap_ybarra @zzt I heard that Linux is gonna make me try to ring the bell with a sledgehammer before I log in

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      • pixelrobot@neopaquita.esP pixelrobot@neopaquita.es

        @zzt Relax, man. It's just a numerical identifier in a database. It's harmless.

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        @PixelRobot @zzt

        the tatto on jews wrist was a simple primary key ... why worry ...

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        • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

          feel free to fuck off with the “it’s just a field in a database, distros will make it a simple age gate during account creation” horseshit unless you come with an explanation of why that’ll work in a regulatory landscape where porn sites with age gates are currently under legal threat from states where an age gate isn’t a sufficient proof mechanism, to the point where some of them have started partnering with companies like (Thiel-backed) Persona for identity verification

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          @zzt in this case, it is really just a field in a database, because the bootlickers have not understood that they're not part of the club that gets to implement age verification.

          Why should a website trust an age indication from a piece of software that might have been installed by a minor?

          It was useful to see who the bootlickers are, and we should focus on getting them to understand which side of the walls they will be on when they come up.

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          • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

            “software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers

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            @zzt The venn diagram between people claiming we can't ignore age verrification and the people who've been happily ignoring accessibility and privacy regulations for decades is a flat circle.

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            • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

              feel free to fuck off with the “it’s just a field in a database, distros will make it a simple age gate during account creation” horseshit unless you come with an explanation of why that’ll work in a regulatory landscape where porn sites with age gates are currently under legal threat from states where an age gate isn’t a sufficient proof mechanism, to the point where some of them have started partnering with companies like (Thiel-backed) Persona for identity verification

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              @zzt READ IBM AND THE HOLOCAUST MOTHERFUCKERS! THE NUMBER TATTOOS WERE AN ENTRY IN THE IBM HOLLERITH PUNCH CARDS

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              • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                @jwz I’m trying hard to not bring up the prison industrial complex or IBM’s role in automating concentration camps but shit these assholes really need the reminder

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                @zzt @jwz
                Famously, Jewish religion was "just a column in the database" in Nazi-occupied France

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Carmille

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                • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                  feel free to fuck off with the “it’s just a field in a database, distros will make it a simple age gate during account creation” horseshit unless you come with an explanation of why that’ll work in a regulatory landscape where porn sites with age gates are currently under legal threat from states where an age gate isn’t a sufficient proof mechanism, to the point where some of them have started partnering with companies like (Thiel-backed) Persona for identity verification

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                  @zzt also see https://circumstances.run/@hipsterelectron/116419387756396580

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                  • sabik@rants.auS sabik@rants.au

                    @zzt @jwz
                    Famously, Jewish religion was "just a column in the database" in Nazi-occupied France

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Carmille

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                    @sabik @zzt RENÉ IS MY GODDAMN HERO

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                    • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                      the US can’t implement gun registration in most jurisdictions because literally nobody complied with any of the attempts to enforce it but yeah sure we have to do age verification or else an entire industry built on our free software will switch to ??????

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                      @zzt

                      Maybe it's time to start sabotaging those building blocks...

                      Just saying.

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                      • gyrosgeier@hachyderm.ioG gyrosgeier@hachyderm.io

                        @zzt in this case, it is really just a field in a database, because the bootlickers have not understood that they're not part of the club that gets to implement age verification.

                        Why should a website trust an age indication from a piece of software that might have been installed by a minor?

                        It was useful to see who the bootlickers are, and we should focus on getting them to understand which side of the walls they will be on when they come up.

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                        @GyrosGeier it’s really embarrassing that you didn’t do even basic research on who implemented the feature (an odious little fucker who thinks google locking down Android is great too) or who approved it over the objections of his own community (a guy whose entire notable career has been with corporations that enable genocides) and have just assumed that the continuing fascist project to take over open source somehow stopped before it noticed linux

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                        • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                          “software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers

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                          @zzt Unjust laws must be broken.

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                          • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                            “software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers

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                            @zzt non-compliance in advance: https://agelesslinux.org/

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                            • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                              I cannot believe ITS got brought up as a counterpoint but welcome to mastodon I guess

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                              @zzt I can't believe ITS was brought up, period.

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                              • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                                I cannot believe ITS got brought up as a counterpoint but welcome to mastodon I guess

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                                @zzt
                                What the actual fuck?

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                                • kirtai@tech.lgbtK kirtai@tech.lgbt

                                  @zzt
                                  What the actual fuck?

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                                  @kirtai I cursed myself with this post because right after someone tried to nitpick me to death on how because debian coincidentally doesn’t ship logind by default it’s misinformation to claim that anything in linux is doing age verification

                                  somehow every type of mastodon reply guy is here in this thread and they all fucking love age verification

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                                  • larsbrinkhoff@mastodon.sdf.orgL larsbrinkhoff@mastodon.sdf.org

                                    @zzt I can't believe ITS was brought up, period.

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                                    @larsbrinkhoff fucking right? like shit I love ITS (I compiled a tape from your repo soon after I found out about it just to find out more about how ITS is built) but I don’t think I’ve ever brought it up in random casual conversation

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                                    • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                                      “software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers

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                                      @zzt The next step after "do not comply in advance" is "fuck you, make me".

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                                      • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                                        @kirtai I cursed myself with this post because right after someone tried to nitpick me to death on how because debian coincidentally doesn’t ship logind by default it’s misinformation to claim that anything in linux is doing age verification

                                        somehow every type of mastodon reply guy is here in this thread and they all fucking love age verification

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                                        @zzt
                                        Oh right, because debian is linux.
                                        /sigh

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                                        • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                                          I cannot believe ITS got brought up as a counterpoint but welcome to mastodon I guess

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                                          @zzt
                                          When they start bringing up lisp machines we'll know the apocalypse is nigh.

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