“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can.

[chiraag@mastodon.online]

@RnDanger Pretending as though systemd is introducing this to some required component (the general thrust of the discussions I have read) is just wrong. I'm not saying it's not an issue - it very much *is* - but, at least for right now, the component within which this has been introduced is completely and utterly optional.

2/?

[chiraag@mastodon.online]

@RnDanger My general take on the situation is this: I'm not happy that systemd is complying in advance. That is stupid and we should fight this crap. The _reason_ they introduced it is actually far more worrying (they're talking about *consumers* of that field being stuff like flatpak) and IMO is where the discussion should be focused because those components are far more integrated into general user-facing systems.

3/?

[chiraag@mastodon.online]

@RnDanger Like, the problem with systemd introducing this isn't the place they introduced it, but rather their rationale for doing so (and not just preemptive compliance). It is just wrong to say that userdbd is some integral system component (it is *not*), but it's a reasonable worry that it might soon *become* something integral. That worry is tied to the steps other components (such as flatpak!) have been taking in this direction, which IMO is far more worrying.

4/4

[donaldball@triangletoot.party]

@losttourist @zzt @MrBerard I’m sure it will stop right there, said the credulous fool.

[foxes@bark.lgbt]

@Unlikelylass @zzt Always has been

[jens@social.finkhaeuser.de]

@Bredroll @prism @zzt smart watches and fitness trackers.

[jens@social.finkhaeuser.de]

@Bredroll @prism @zzt smart cat toys.

[paavi@mastodontti.fi]

@sinvega @zzt yup, those people always skip the sociological aspects of things we use everyday. Guillotine is just a blade with guard rails, is something only an engineer with no interest in history would say.

[yacc143@mastodon.social]

@Bredroll
And when the court rules that the law dies not apply to CCTV, my new Linux distribute will be targeted to AMD64 based CCTV camera systems.
@prism @zzt

[codinghorror@infosec.exchange]

@zzt “anyone can ignore laws that aren’t enforced”, I said, as I blatantly jaywalked across another street

[yacc143@mastodon.social]

@Bredroll
The funny thing with this that's these laws are practically never capable to correctly define what the fascists want and don't want.

They literally require selective enforcement.
@prism @zzt

[prism@infosec.exchange]

@Bredroll @zzt Absolutely. Free software can lawyer up like anyone else.

[helielo@mastodon.social]

@sabik @zzt @jwz “He also hacked his own machines, reprogramming them so that they’d never punch information from Column 11 [where citizens were asked to indicate their religion] onto any census card”

People who make software have a duty to follow his example.

[wall_e@ioc.exchange]

@losttourist @schrotthaufen @zzt @MrBerard until suddenly there's a law in place that mandates your distro, which probably uses shim, will only be able to get a signed cert from Microsoft's UEFI CA signing service when it has submitted its age-verification for review.
And of course, since we gotta protect the children and generally increase security, now every new system sold must enforce UEFI Secure Boot with a strictly regulated set of platform keys.

[oblomov@sociale.network]

@helielo @sabik @zzt @jwz but what if we compressed the kill chain instead

[elfin@mstdn.social]

@zzt Well, I mean the great thing is that Open Source means I can mod it myself.

Linux SystemD already ships Age Verification (fucking SystemD) code, and it's already been nullified with a script.

Ok so Linux is in compliance (tho I don't think it should bother, fuck age verification laws) when it Ships, but *I* have *Every* right to alter that code on *MY* fucking computer.

And I do. You don't need to know who I am or my age for me to use The Intertubes. Fuck that.

[chansecodina@sunny.garden]

@zzt I've been a Linux user for a couple decades now. There have been changes I wasn't excited about in that time, but none of them was a hill that I felt was worth dying on. This hill though? This hill looks pretty good.

[tekhedd@byteheaven.net]

@zzt sadly, universally ignored laws also give cops absolute discretionary power to enforce at will.

Only the weak suffer, corps can shrug it off.

[ewhac@mastodon.social]

@zzt "software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like," I said, while playing a BluRay disc on my Linux system (`mpv`, `vlc`, etc.).

...And ripping said discs to my NAS (`handbrake`).

...And saving local copies of YouTube videos (`yt-dlp`).

[springdiesel@spore.social]

@PixelRobot @zzt

"IBM did not sell any of its punch card machines to Nazi Germany. The equipment was leased by the month. Each month, often more frequently, authorized repairmen, working directly for or trained by IBM, serviced the machines on-site-whether in the middle of Berlin or at a concentration camp."

Holy crap.