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  • julesbl@mastodon.me.ukJ julesbl@mastodon.me.uk

    @mcv @Khrys
    If you think this is just like a bug, you are mistaken

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    @julesbl @Khrys

    Nowhere do I call this a bug. It's an additional field in the user db. Just like userName, realName, emailAddress, location, timezone, preferredLanguage, and many others, some of which are at least as sensitive as age.

    People are panicking about a complete non-issue. Read the actual discussion on the commit; there is actual discussion there, but nobody is panicking about it the way people here are.

    The discussion on the Arch commit has a bit more pushback; there the contributor puts more emphasis on legal compliance, receives some pushback that it offers no reliable age verification, so how can it comply with the law? and the decision is made to put in on hold until they get some legal advice.

    And with or without that law, I don't see any problem with storing yet another piece of personal information. It fits right in with everything else that's already stored. If you don't trust the privacy of your own PC, don't fill it in. It's optional.

    But I can imagine that parents would want to set this for their kids, and may also want software to restrict their kids' access to certain kind of content based on that. But that's not what this does.

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    • legit_spaghetti@mastodo.neoliber.alL legit_spaghetti@mastodo.neoliber.al

      @mcv @Khrys

      So I don't really see the problem here.

      I do. The problem is that the guy is complying in advance with unjust, abusive, and dangerous laws.

      "Okay, guess I'll add it in" is not the correct response to an unjust legal requirement. The correct response is "Fuck you, make me."

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      @Legit_Spaghetti @Khrys

      "Fuck you, make me."


      Sorry, but nobody is making you fill this in. It's an optional field. And there's no verification on it.

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      • rootwyrm@weird.autosR rootwyrm@weird.autos

        @filippo @Khrys @thedarktangent know what would prevent this shit in the first place? If actively supporting fascism had consequences.

        Meet consequences.

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        @filippo @Khrys @thedarktangent oh, and the company he works for?

        Brags about not doing credit checks before issuing payday loans at usurious rates, and charging a monthly subscription fee on top of it.

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        • mcv@friendica.opensocial.spaceM mcv@friendica.opensocial.space

          @Legit_Spaghetti @Khrys

          "Fuck you, make me."


          Sorry, but nobody is making you fill this in. It's an optional field. And there's no verification on it.

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          Not *yet*.

          @mcv @Khrys @Legit_Spaghetti

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          • mcv@friendica.opensocial.spaceM mcv@friendica.opensocial.space

            @Legit_Spaghetti @Khrys

            "Fuck you, make me."


            Sorry, but nobody is making you fill this in. It's an optional field. And there's no verification on it.

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            @mcv @Khrys Imagine if instead of your DOB, the field asked "Are you a Jew?" and it was also optional and didn't have any sort of verification attached to it. Just an innocent question, right? No one's being forced to answer it. Not a problem, right?

            Except anyone who'd spend their time adding such a field to an open-source project in anticipation of an imagined legal requirement should immediately become radioactive in the community, as should anyone defending such an action.

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            • revk@toot.me.ukR revk@toot.me.uk

              @Khrys Please tell me the age of the "root" user?

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              @revk @Khrys
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              • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

                The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

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                Dylan, useful idiot with commit access, pushed age verification PRs to systemd, Ubuntu & Arch, got 2 Microslop employees to merge it, called it 'hilariously pointless' in the PR itself, then watched Lennart personally block the revert. Unpaid compliance simp.

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                Sam Bent (www.sambent.com)

                The lasting damage was knowing it could happen at all: that a single contributor with no stated organizational backing could submit compliance infrastructure for surveillance law directly into the software that boots your computer, get it merged by two Microsoft employees, and have the creator of systemd personally block the removal.

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                @Khrys Further illustrating that systemd is evil and should be destroyed by fire. 😤😡

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                • revk@toot.me.ukR revk@toot.me.uk

                  @Khrys Please tell me the age of the "root" user?

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                  @revk @Khrys Born January 1, 1970. Duh.
                  🙃🙃🙃😉🤓

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                  • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

                    The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

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                    The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

                    Dylan, useful idiot with commit access, pushed age verification PRs to systemd, Ubuntu & Arch, got 2 Microslop employees to merge it, called it 'hilariously pointless' in the PR itself, then watched Lennart personally block the revert. Unpaid compliance simp.

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                    Sam Bent (www.sambent.com)

                    The lasting damage was knowing it could happen at all: that a single contributor with no stated organizational backing could submit compliance infrastructure for surveillance law directly into the software that boots your computer, get it merged by two Microsoft employees, and have the creator of systemd personally block the removal.

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                    @Khrys let's kill this guy with hammers. tbh tbh
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                    • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

                      The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

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                      Dylan, useful idiot with commit access, pushed age verification PRs to systemd, Ubuntu & Arch, got 2 Microslop employees to merge it, called it 'hilariously pointless' in the PR itself, then watched Lennart personally block the revert. Unpaid compliance simp.

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                      Sam Bent (www.sambent.com)

                      The lasting damage was knowing it could happen at all: that a single contributor with no stated organizational backing could submit compliance infrastructure for surveillance law directly into the software that boots your computer, get it merged by two Microsoft employees, and have the creator of systemd personally block the removal.

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                      @Khrys this is why Lennart isn't allowed to submit code to the kernel

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                      • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

                        The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

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                        The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

                        Dylan, useful idiot with commit access, pushed age verification PRs to systemd, Ubuntu & Arch, got 2 Microslop employees to merge it, called it 'hilariously pointless' in the PR itself, then watched Lennart personally block the revert. Unpaid compliance simp.

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                        Sam Bent (www.sambent.com)

                        The lasting damage was knowing it could happen at all: that a single contributor with no stated organizational backing could submit compliance infrastructure for surveillance law directly into the software that boots your computer, get it merged by two Microsoft employees, and have the creator of systemd personally block the removal.

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                        @Khrys for someone who uses the phrase "microslop" the whole thing reads like slop
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                        • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

                          The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

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                          Dylan, useful idiot with commit access, pushed age verification PRs to systemd, Ubuntu & Arch, got 2 Microslop employees to merge it, called it 'hilariously pointless' in the PR itself, then watched Lennart personally block the revert. Unpaid compliance simp.

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                          Sam Bent (www.sambent.com)

                          The lasting damage was knowing it could happen at all: that a single contributor with no stated organizational backing could submit compliance infrastructure for surveillance law directly into the software that boots your computer, get it merged by two Microsoft employees, and have the creator of systemd personally block the removal.

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                          @Khrys

                          Too old for Linux

                          I think that's a rock opera, isn't it?

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                          • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

                            The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

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                            Dylan, useful idiot with commit access, pushed age verification PRs to systemd, Ubuntu & Arch, got 2 Microslop employees to merge it, called it 'hilariously pointless' in the PR itself, then watched Lennart personally block the revert. Unpaid compliance simp.

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                            Sam Bent (www.sambent.com)

                            The lasting damage was knowing it could happen at all: that a single contributor with no stated organizational backing could submit compliance infrastructure for surveillance law directly into the software that boots your computer, get it merged by two Microsoft employees, and have the creator of systemd personally block the removal.

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                            @Khrys

                            Also, #fuckedCompany

                            " .... name is Dylan M. Taylor, a Senior DevOps Engineer at Credit Genie, a Khosla Ventures-backed fintech startup in Durham, North Carolina."

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                            • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

                              The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

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                              Dylan, useful idiot with commit access, pushed age verification PRs to systemd, Ubuntu & Arch, got 2 Microslop employees to merge it, called it 'hilariously pointless' in the PR itself, then watched Lennart personally block the revert. Unpaid compliance simp.

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                              Sam Bent (www.sambent.com)

                              The lasting damage was knowing it could happen at all: that a single contributor with no stated organizational backing could submit compliance infrastructure for surveillance law directly into the software that boots your computer, get it merged by two Microsoft employees, and have the creator of systemd personally block the removal.

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                              @Khrys@mamot.fr needlessly dramatic for what was an entirely unsurprising development. wake me up if they do anything beyond a glorified text field, something almost all other OSs have had for decades.

                              I mean I agree that the sentiment is bad. but do we need the entire linux community to explode over this? hardly

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                              • mcv@friendica.opensocial.spaceM mcv@friendica.opensocial.space

                                @Khrys

                                I don't understand what the fuss is about. This is exactly the right way to comply with that law: an optional birth date field. You don't want to have to submit an idea to your OS or implement facial recognition, and you certainly don't want to tie account creation to external services for those things, but now parents can fill in the birth date for their kids, and everybody else can ignore it. This kind of thing needs to be in the hands of parents, not external companies.

                                So I don't really see the problem here.

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                                @mcv @Khrys The problem is that they’ve acquiesced to a poorly thought out and bad faith trial balloon of a law. So now the lawmakers know that it’s game on. The next version of the law will be even more insidious and require actual verification and do who knows what else.

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                                • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

                                  The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

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                                  Dylan, useful idiot with commit access, pushed age verification PRs to systemd, Ubuntu & Arch, got 2 Microslop employees to merge it, called it 'hilariously pointless' in the PR itself, then watched Lennart personally block the revert. Unpaid compliance simp.

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                                  The lasting damage was knowing it could happen at all: that a single contributor with no stated organizational backing could submit compliance infrastructure for surveillance law directly into the software that boots your computer, get it merged by two Microsoft employees, and have the creator of systemd personally block the removal.

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                                  @Khrys let’s be completely honest here. The choices are:

                                  - Non compliance resulting in everyone complaining that your device is “broken”
                                  - Non compliance (this option)
                                  - Full compliance with outside verification (a horrible option)

                                  If a mandated API is made called, then easiest option is just to return “adult” and move on, rather than the millions of people complaining that “it doesn’t work”

                                  I really don’t get what the point of this hit piece is.

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                                  • jonathankoren@sfba.socialJ jonathankoren@sfba.social

                                    @Khrys let’s be completely honest here. The choices are:

                                    - Non compliance resulting in everyone complaining that your device is “broken”
                                    - Non compliance (this option)
                                    - Full compliance with outside verification (a horrible option)

                                    If a mandated API is made called, then easiest option is just to return “adult” and move on, rather than the millions of people complaining that “it doesn’t work”

                                    I really don’t get what the point of this hit piece is.

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                                    @jonathankoren @Khrys The point is that you don’t just give away your freedom because it’s easier. You *at least* say ‘fuck you, make me’ first.

                                    There are way more people for who this is NOT law than for who it IS. So much for the land of the free and the home of the brave.

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                                    • salty@mastodon.nzS salty@mastodon.nz

                                      @jonathankoren @Khrys The point is that you don’t just give away your freedom because it’s easier. You *at least* say ‘fuck you, make me’ first.

                                      There are way more people for who this is NOT law than for who it IS. So much for the land of the free and the home of the brave.

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                                      @Salty @Khrys yeah, he complied too early no doubt, but let’s not pretend that this was actually going to do a damn thing, or even be called anywhere

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                                      • aaribaud@mastodon.artA aaribaud@mastodon.art

                                        @Khrys (disclaimer: IANALAIDEPOOTV)

                                        One remark and one comment:

                                        Remark: the title says "tried to", the article says did -- and Poettering blocked a revert.

                                        Comment: in countries where the GDPR applies, the feature appears contrary to article 5 as overbroad, even probably purposeless *per se* ; maybe also contrary to recent European decisions against generalized citizen data collection, too.

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                                        @aaribaud
                                        «in countries where the GDPR applies» <- you got this wrong, GDPR applies everywhere as soon as you are an European Union citizen.

                                        Edit: correction «European citizen» -> «European Union citizen»

                                        @Khrys

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                                        • patpro@social.patpro.netP patpro@social.patpro.net

                                          @aaribaud
                                          «in countries where the GDPR applies» <- you got this wrong, GDPR applies everywhere as soon as you are an European Union citizen.

                                          Edit: correction «European citizen» -> «European Union citizen»

                                          @Khrys

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                                          @patpro @Khrys Europe does not include all countries on whole Earth, does it?

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