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  • revk@toot.me.ukR revk@toot.me.uk

    @Khrys Please tell me the age of the "root" user?

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    montef@mastodon.social
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    #56

    @revk @Khrys Born January 1, 1970. Duh.
    🙃🙃🙃😉🤓

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    • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

      The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

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      The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

      Dylan, useful idiot with commit access, pushed age verification PRs to systemd, Ubuntu & Arch, got 2 Microslop employees to merge it, called it 'hilariously pointless' in the PR itself, then watched Lennart personally block the revert. Unpaid compliance simp.

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      Sam Bent (www.sambent.com)

      The lasting damage was knowing it could happen at all: that a single contributor with no stated organizational backing could submit compliance infrastructure for surveillance law directly into the software that boots your computer, get it merged by two Microsoft employees, and have the creator of systemd personally block the removal.

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      thetooter@crapulator.duckdns.org
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      #57
      @Khrys let's kill this guy with hammers. tbh tbh
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      • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

        The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

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        The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

        Dylan, useful idiot with commit access, pushed age verification PRs to systemd, Ubuntu & Arch, got 2 Microslop employees to merge it, called it 'hilariously pointless' in the PR itself, then watched Lennart personally block the revert. Unpaid compliance simp.

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        Sam Bent (www.sambent.com)

        The lasting damage was knowing it could happen at all: that a single contributor with no stated organizational backing could submit compliance infrastructure for surveillance law directly into the software that boots your computer, get it merged by two Microsoft employees, and have the creator of systemd personally block the removal.

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        #58

        @Khrys this is why Lennart isn't allowed to submit code to the kernel

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        • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

          The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

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          The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

          Dylan, useful idiot with commit access, pushed age verification PRs to systemd, Ubuntu & Arch, got 2 Microslop employees to merge it, called it 'hilariously pointless' in the PR itself, then watched Lennart personally block the revert. Unpaid compliance simp.

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          Sam Bent (www.sambent.com)

          The lasting damage was knowing it could happen at all: that a single contributor with no stated organizational backing could submit compliance infrastructure for surveillance law directly into the software that boots your computer, get it merged by two Microsoft employees, and have the creator of systemd personally block the removal.

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          #59
          @Khrys for someone who uses the phrase "microslop" the whole thing reads like slop
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          • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

            The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

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            The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

            Dylan, useful idiot with commit access, pushed age verification PRs to systemd, Ubuntu & Arch, got 2 Microslop employees to merge it, called it 'hilariously pointless' in the PR itself, then watched Lennart personally block the revert. Unpaid compliance simp.

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            Sam Bent (www.sambent.com)

            The lasting damage was knowing it could happen at all: that a single contributor with no stated organizational backing could submit compliance infrastructure for surveillance law directly into the software that boots your computer, get it merged by two Microsoft employees, and have the creator of systemd personally block the removal.

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            ultraverified@mastodon.sdf.org
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            #60

            @Khrys

            Too old for Linux

            I think that's a rock opera, isn't it?

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            • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

              The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

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              The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

              Dylan, useful idiot with commit access, pushed age verification PRs to systemd, Ubuntu & Arch, got 2 Microslop employees to merge it, called it 'hilariously pointless' in the PR itself, then watched Lennart personally block the revert. Unpaid compliance simp.

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              Sam Bent (www.sambent.com)

              The lasting damage was knowing it could happen at all: that a single contributor with no stated organizational backing could submit compliance infrastructure for surveillance law directly into the software that boots your computer, get it merged by two Microsoft employees, and have the creator of systemd personally block the removal.

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              ultraverified@mastodon.sdf.org
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              #61

              @Khrys

              Also, #fuckedCompany

              " .... name is Dylan M. Taylor, a Senior DevOps Engineer at Credit Genie, a Khosla Ventures-backed fintech startup in Durham, North Carolina."

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              • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

                The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

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                The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

                Dylan, useful idiot with commit access, pushed age verification PRs to systemd, Ubuntu & Arch, got 2 Microslop employees to merge it, called it 'hilariously pointless' in the PR itself, then watched Lennart personally block the revert. Unpaid compliance simp.

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                Sam Bent (www.sambent.com)

                The lasting damage was knowing it could happen at all: that a single contributor with no stated organizational backing could submit compliance infrastructure for surveillance law directly into the software that boots your computer, get it merged by two Microsoft employees, and have the creator of systemd personally block the removal.

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                #62

                @Khrys@mamot.fr needlessly dramatic for what was an entirely unsurprising development. wake me up if they do anything beyond a glorified text field, something almost all other OSs have had for decades.

                I mean I agree that the sentiment is bad. but do we need the entire linux community to explode over this? hardly

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                • mcv@friendica.opensocial.spaceM mcv@friendica.opensocial.space

                  @Khrys

                  I don't understand what the fuss is about. This is exactly the right way to comply with that law: an optional birth date field. You don't want to have to submit an idea to your OS or implement facial recognition, and you certainly don't want to tie account creation to external services for those things, but now parents can fill in the birth date for their kids, and everybody else can ignore it. This kind of thing needs to be in the hands of parents, not external companies.

                  So I don't really see the problem here.

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                  @mcv @Khrys The problem is that they’ve acquiesced to a poorly thought out and bad faith trial balloon of a law. So now the lawmakers know that it’s game on. The next version of the law will be even more insidious and require actual verification and do who knows what else.

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                  • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

                    The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

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                    The Engineer Who Tried to Put Age Verification Into Linux

                    Dylan, useful idiot with commit access, pushed age verification PRs to systemd, Ubuntu & Arch, got 2 Microslop employees to merge it, called it 'hilariously pointless' in the PR itself, then watched Lennart personally block the revert. Unpaid compliance simp.

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                    Sam Bent (www.sambent.com)

                    The lasting damage was knowing it could happen at all: that a single contributor with no stated organizational backing could submit compliance infrastructure for surveillance law directly into the software that boots your computer, get it merged by two Microsoft employees, and have the creator of systemd personally block the removal.

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                    #64

                    @Khrys let’s be completely honest here. The choices are:

                    - Non compliance resulting in everyone complaining that your device is “broken”
                    - Non compliance (this option)
                    - Full compliance with outside verification (a horrible option)

                    If a mandated API is made called, then easiest option is just to return “adult” and move on, rather than the millions of people complaining that “it doesn’t work”

                    I really don’t get what the point of this hit piece is.

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                    • jonathankoren@sfba.socialJ jonathankoren@sfba.social

                      @Khrys let’s be completely honest here. The choices are:

                      - Non compliance resulting in everyone complaining that your device is “broken”
                      - Non compliance (this option)
                      - Full compliance with outside verification (a horrible option)

                      If a mandated API is made called, then easiest option is just to return “adult” and move on, rather than the millions of people complaining that “it doesn’t work”

                      I really don’t get what the point of this hit piece is.

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                      @jonathankoren @Khrys The point is that you don’t just give away your freedom because it’s easier. You *at least* say ‘fuck you, make me’ first.

                      There are way more people for who this is NOT law than for who it IS. So much for the land of the free and the home of the brave.

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                      • salty@mastodon.nzS salty@mastodon.nz

                        @jonathankoren @Khrys The point is that you don’t just give away your freedom because it’s easier. You *at least* say ‘fuck you, make me’ first.

                        There are way more people for who this is NOT law than for who it IS. So much for the land of the free and the home of the brave.

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                        @Salty @Khrys yeah, he complied too early no doubt, but let’s not pretend that this was actually going to do a damn thing, or even be called anywhere

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                        • aaribaud@mastodon.artA aaribaud@mastodon.art

                          @Khrys (disclaimer: IANALAIDEPOOTV)

                          One remark and one comment:

                          Remark: the title says "tried to", the article says did -- and Poettering blocked a revert.

                          Comment: in countries where the GDPR applies, the feature appears contrary to article 5 as overbroad, even probably purposeless *per se* ; maybe also contrary to recent European decisions against generalized citizen data collection, too.

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                          @aaribaud
                          «in countries where the GDPR applies» <- you got this wrong, GDPR applies everywhere as soon as you are an European Union citizen.

                          Edit: correction «European citizen» -> «European Union citizen»

                          @Khrys

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                          • patpro@social.patpro.netP patpro@social.patpro.net

                            @aaribaud
                            «in countries where the GDPR applies» <- you got this wrong, GDPR applies everywhere as soon as you are an European Union citizen.

                            Edit: correction «European citizen» -> «European Union citizen»

                            @Khrys

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                            #68

                            @patpro @Khrys Europe does not include all countries on whole Earth, does it?

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                            • eobet@oldbytes.spaceE eobet@oldbytes.space

                              @Khrys is it just me or is the article a bit weird? Weird repetitions, weird (fully animated) graphics and a weird quiz at the end. It smells vaguely like slop, but is it?

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                              @eobet @Khrys Based on the rest of the articles on the platform, the ones I've peeked over are written in a similar style: They are technically true, I'm not sure if the framing is known or even intentional. As if somebody fed research into an LLM, seriously proofread the outgoing article and also generated "top facts" as well as the graphics out of it

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                              • multisn8@mastodon.catgirl.cloudM multisn8@mastodon.catgirl.cloud

                                @eobet @Khrys Based on the rest of the articles on the platform, the ones I've peeked over are written in a similar style: They are technically true, I'm not sure if the framing is known or even intentional. As if somebody fed research into an LLM, seriously proofread the outgoing article and also generated "top facts" as well as the graphics out of it

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                                @eobet@oldbytes.space @Khrys@mamot.fr I'm split on how to tackle the overall situation. This is, effectively, a rage bait and a hit piece violating the ages-old rule of "attempt collaboration and dialog before engaging in conflict" as the stage of trying to educate or letting the PR author explain their perspective is straight up skipped. Possibly this is unknown to the author who just wanted something that attracts attention

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                                • aaribaud@mastodon.artA aaribaud@mastodon.art

                                  @patpro @Khrys Europe does not include all countries on whole Earth, does it?

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                                  GDPR applies to protect the personal data of every EU citizen and every person domiciled in EU, never mind where and by whom that data is processed.
                                  @aaribaud @patpro @Khrys

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                                  • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

                                    GDPR applies to protect the personal data of every EU citizen and every person domiciled in EU, never mind where and by whom that data is processed.
                                    @aaribaud @patpro @Khrys

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                                    @osma @patpro @Khrys How exactly is this a valid rebuttal of my statement about the (lack of) validity of the birth date field *in countries where the GDPR applies* ?

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                                    • mcv@friendica.opensocial.spaceM mcv@friendica.opensocial.space

                                      @Khrys

                                      I don't understand what the fuss is about. This is exactly the right way to comply with that law: an optional birth date field. You don't want to have to submit an idea to your OS or implement facial recognition, and you certainly don't want to tie account creation to external services for those things, but now parents can fill in the birth date for their kids, and everybody else can ignore it. This kind of thing needs to be in the hands of parents, not external companies.

                                      So I don't really see the problem here.

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                                      Say there's a law requiring collection of people's ethnicity. Or of their gender, allowing only two options. Or of their religion. Or legal, government issued names and id numbers. Oh, they're all optional in most jurisdictions and in fact defined in ways that are noncompliant with other laws. But what's the big deal? We'll just add an optional field name to standardize the schema. There's no mandatory mechanism or verification. Just making the data cleaner.
                                      @mcv @Khrys

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                                      • aaribaud@mastodon.artA aaribaud@mastodon.art

                                        @osma @patpro @Khrys How exactly is this a valid rebuttal of my statement about the (lack of) validity of the birth date field *in countries where the GDPR applies* ?

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                                        GDPR applies everywhere.
                                        @aaribaud @patpro @Khrys

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                                        • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

                                          GDPR applies everywhere.
                                          @aaribaud @patpro @Khrys

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                                          @osma @patpro @Khrys No, GDPR does not apply everywhere.

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