It's not getting enough attention that the Trump administration has banned the sale of ALL WiFi routers made outside of the US.
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@lattera @as400 @mudala @VeroniqueB99 there is no such policy. there was some sort of pre-announcement of "we are working on a policy" which bad news organisations like heise.de reported as "FreeBSD rejects LLM code contributions".
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@lattera @as400 @mudala @VeroniqueB99 there is no such policy. there was some sort of pre-announcement of "we are working on a policy" which bad news organisations like heise.de reported as "FreeBSD rejects LLM code contributions".
@lw @as400 @mudala @VeroniqueB99 It's possible I might be misremembering or misunderstanding the presentation.
If I get some spare time this weekend, I'll dig deeper for that presentation.
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@lw @as400 @mudala @VeroniqueB99 It's possible I might be misremembering or misunderstanding the presentation.
If I get some spare time this weekend, I'll dig deeper for that presentation.
@lattera @as400 @mudala @VeroniqueB99 i don't doubt your claim there was some sort of presentation related to this (i would be interested to know the details, actually) but as a FreeBSD committer, i can tell you, 100% for sure, we do not have a policy forbidding LLM-assisted commits.
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@lattera @as400 @mudala @VeroniqueB99 i don't doubt your claim there was some sort of presentation related to this (i would be interested to know the details, actually) but as a FreeBSD committer, i can tell you, 100% for sure, we do not have a policy forbidding LLM-assisted commits.
@lw @as400 @mudala @VeroniqueB99 Understood. But I"m still curious about that claim (not made by you) that LLM slop has already made it to FreeBSD.
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It's not getting enough attention that the Trump administration has banned the sale of ALL WiFi routers made outside of the US. It's one of the first steps required to control Americans' use of the Internet, to spy on what you're doing online, to suppress information they don't want you to see and to even turn off the Internet at their discretion.
This is looking increasingly like a trap.
FCC imposes sweeping ban on foreign-made routers, affecting all new models
Trump admin to decide which router makers get exemptions from FCC import ban.
Ars Technica (arstechnica.com)
@VeroniqueB99 They took notes from ISIS, Iran, Russia, North Korea, and the nazis - not because they wanted to install democracy there, but because they wanted to end it here
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@lw @as400 @mudala @VeroniqueB99 Understood. But I"m still curious about that claim (not made by you) that LLM slop has already made it to FreeBSD.
@lattera @as400 @mudala @VeroniqueB99 not personally verified, but: https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/@evgandr/116291818767869978
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@lattera @as400 @mudala @VeroniqueB99 i don't doubt your claim there was some sort of presentation related to this (i would be interested to know the details, actually) but as a FreeBSD committer, i can tell you, 100% for sure, we do not have a policy forbidding LLM-assisted commits.
@lw @lattera @as400 @VeroniqueB99
Is it even possible to review all code? How can core take care of all this? It would be a tremendous burden I think. -
@lattera @as400 @mudala @VeroniqueB99 not personally verified, but: https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/@evgandr/116291818767869978
@lattera @as400 @mudala @VeroniqueB99 well, i can verify that 6495dafd58b94a44fc9bc966ef47d6bc6916f5b9 exists in my local git checkout and does include "Co-authored-by: Claude Sonnet 4.6 <noreply@anthropic.com>".
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@lattera @as400 @mudala @VeroniqueB99 not personally verified, but: https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/@evgandr/116291818767869978
@lw @as400 @mudala @VeroniqueB99 I'd call that an LLM commit in a third-party project that FreeBSD just happens to adopt.
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@lw @lattera @as400 @VeroniqueB99
Is it even possible to review all code? How can core take care of all this? It would be a tremendous burden I think.@mudala @lw @as400 @VeroniqueB99 I generally pay attention to the #FreeBSD src tree commit-by-commit. I've found a few vulnerabilities that way. I'm aware of at least three threat actors at the nation state level that do the same.
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@lw @as400 @mudala @VeroniqueB99 I'd call that an LLM commit in a third-party project that FreeBSD just happens to adopt.
@lattera @as400 @mudala @VeroniqueB99 well, okay. i don't really care about this issue one way or the other, i was just trying to be helpful
i can tell you, anecdotally, i know at least several FreeBSD committers who eagerly use LLMs to write code and are very on-board with the AI hype train. it's almost certain those people have committed LLM-assisted code.
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@lw @lattera @as400 @VeroniqueB99
Is it even possible to review all code? How can core take care of all this? It would be a tremendous burden I think.core doesn't review all code. if they adopted an anti-LLM policy, it would be something akin to a "don't commit code you plagiarised from a commercial project" policy, i.e. we can't prove it, but it's bad and please don't do it... and if you do, we'll probably revoke your commit bit.
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core doesn't review all code. if they adopted an anti-LLM policy, it would be something akin to a "don't commit code you plagiarised from a commercial project" policy, i.e. we can't prove it, but it's bad and please don't do it... and if you do, we'll probably revoke your commit bit.
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@mudala @lattera @as400 @VeroniqueB99 uhh i'm sorry did you just send me a picture of a weird three-legged butt? i am so confused :-d
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@mudala @lattera @as400 @VeroniqueB99 uhh i'm sorry did you just send me a picture of a weird three-legged butt? i am so confused :-d
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It's not getting enough attention that the Trump administration has banned the sale of ALL WiFi routers made outside of the US. It's one of the first steps required to control Americans' use of the Internet, to spy on what you're doing online, to suppress information they don't want you to see and to even turn off the Internet at their discretion.
This is looking increasingly like a trap.
FCC imposes sweeping ban on foreign-made routers, affecting all new models
Trump admin to decide which router makers get exemptions from FCC import ban.
Ars Technica (arstechnica.com)
@VeroniqueB99 I've posted about this a bunch. Written about it too. There's just too much else at the moment, I guess. idk.
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It's not getting enough attention that the Trump administration has banned the sale of ALL WiFi routers made outside of the US. It's one of the first steps required to control Americans' use of the Internet, to spy on what you're doing online, to suppress information they don't want you to see and to even turn off the Internet at their discretion.
This is looking increasingly like a trap.
FCC imposes sweeping ban on foreign-made routers, affecting all new models
Trump admin to decide which router makers get exemptions from FCC import ban.
Ars Technica (arstechnica.com)
@VeroniqueB99 part of the reason it hasn't been widely reported is because it's not a real thing... it's just another trump shakedown.
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It's not getting enough attention that the Trump administration has banned the sale of ALL WiFi routers made outside of the US. It's one of the first steps required to control Americans' use of the Internet, to spy on what you're doing online, to suppress information they don't want you to see and to even turn off the Internet at their discretion.
This is looking increasingly like a trap.
FCC imposes sweeping ban on foreign-made routers, affecting all new models
Trump admin to decide which router makers get exemptions from FCC import ban.
Ars Technica (arstechnica.com)
There is no 'looks like'. It is a pathway to coerce the manufacturers into providing a backdoor.
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yeah I was at that point in the 2000's when social media was being born. All seemed like a waste of time to me. Still does, but that was one of those forks in the road of tech where it seemed like a lot of wheels were being re-invented needlessly and resources wasted, and fuckery abounding. Ditto with early smart phones. But both matured, eventually. Still, those transitions are painful. Old wisdom gets forgotten. Perhaps it was always thus.
@Felis_Catus_Domesticus @VeroniqueB99
I was happy with Archie before we got HTML. That and the news groups. When everyone had their own corner of the Net. I have to laugh there hasn't been anything new since the 70's it all just been refinements of old tech. I got back into the media because of our current administration, couldn't stand the thought of him after the first run. Folks just fucked themselves. Sad. Biden/Harris had set it up so we would have the economy of the 60's. Peace
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It's not getting enough attention that the Trump administration has banned the sale of ALL WiFi routers made outside of the US. It's one of the first steps required to control Americans' use of the Internet, to spy on what you're doing online, to suppress information they don't want you to see and to even turn off the Internet at their discretion.
This is looking increasingly like a trap.
FCC imposes sweeping ban on foreign-made routers, affecting all new models
Trump admin to decide which router makers get exemptions from FCC import ban.
Ars Technica (arstechnica.com)
@VeroniqueB99 i knew this sanction is going to be impossible to implement. Because the majority of tech is being made outside the US, and they're lazy to produce one.
