As someone who has been programming since being a young teenager, things like this make me enormously sad.
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@bunny @SylvieLorxu What will happen when you move country or cross a border? Europe is SHIT at consistent rules.
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RE: https://toot.teckids.org/@nik/116540880770634816
As someone who has been programming since being a young teenager, things like this make me enormously sad.
If I was banned from being part of tech communities until the age of 16 or even 18 I would've never been able to learn all I did. I would've never been able to truly get into FOSS.
I would've never had a chance to become who I now am.
Age verification is literally killing the ability for kids and teens to excitedly participate and learn cool stuff and learn how to have digital agency.
@SylvieLorxu you know who has always sucked? Apple
(god i can't believe i remember this story)
Apple Cuts Off Under-18 Darwin Developer - Slashdot
Crispyking writes "Finlay Dobbie has been a leading contributor to the Darwin project, most notably helping track down the infamous PPP-hang bug. He's been nominated to become a Darwin contributor (which comes with limited check-in privileges) but when going through the process, Apple found out he'...
(apple.slashdot.org)
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RE: https://toot.teckids.org/@nik/116540880770634816
As someone who has been programming since being a young teenager, things like this make me enormously sad.
If I was banned from being part of tech communities until the age of 16 or even 18 I would've never been able to learn all I did. I would've never been able to truly get into FOSS.
I would've never had a chance to become who I now am.
Age verification is literally killing the ability for kids and teens to excitedly participate and learn cool stuff and learn how to have digital agency.
@SylvieLorxu@chaos.social "The chameleon can change itself to any color the community wants, as long as it's washed out grey."
-- Some mid-level MBA
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@humanhorseshoes @SylvieLorxu make that the EPP, ECR, PfE, ESN and Renew groups in the Parlament.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_groups_of_the_European_Parliament <-- for thouse of you not from the EU or not interrested in the Parlament here's a quick table to what is what.
Sadly S&D, the Social Democrats usually fail to see what's going on but at least they can be woken up by a loud public kick in the ass.
@TheOneDoc @SylvieLorxu I am from the EU even though it’s painfully obvious the EU wants us to disappear and be replaced by the UK
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@bunny @SylvieLorxu My issue is endlessly having to explain over and over and over and over and over again that I am from an EU country and no we didn't Brexit. It is exhausting and stops me from living in the EU as it is relentless and I don't have the 4 years it tales to take a legal case to prove "rights" I already am supposed to have
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@bunny @SylvieLorxu If you are in France and live and work in France EU rights are fine. This is the same for Denmark. The problem is when you are from France and move to Denmark.
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RE: https://toot.teckids.org/@nik/116540880770634816
As someone who has been programming since being a young teenager, things like this make me enormously sad.
If I was banned from being part of tech communities until the age of 16 or even 18 I would've never been able to learn all I did. I would've never been able to truly get into FOSS.
I would've never had a chance to become who I now am.
Age verification is literally killing the ability for kids and teens to excitedly participate and learn cool stuff and learn how to have digital agency.
@SylvieLorxu
I started to learn programming when I was about 10, but the internet didn't come around until much later. By then the crappy computer classes in school had pretty much killed my enthusiasm for it. I wonder what it might have been like for me if I had had online communities to help me while I still had the drive. -
@bunny @SylvieLorxu The EU lets the citizen fight alone against national systems
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RE: https://toot.teckids.org/@nik/116540880770634816
As someone who has been programming since being a young teenager, things like this make me enormously sad.
If I was banned from being part of tech communities until the age of 16 or even 18 I would've never been able to learn all I did. I would've never been able to truly get into FOSS.
I would've never had a chance to become who I now am.
Age verification is literally killing the ability for kids and teens to excitedly participate and learn cool stuff and learn how to have digital agency.
@SylvieLorxu not just tech my Scottish godson started university at 17. Consequently he couldn't sign up for loads of student societies because he was under 18 and they would have to comply with child protection legislation. No sailing, although he'd sailed dinghy and yachts for 9 years by then, no kendo, etc, etc.
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@humanhorseshoes @SylvieLorxu at this point I'm convinced the "conservatism" is a kind of cognitive disorder.
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@mothwaves @SylvieLorxu so the EU which came out of the ashes of a Europe destroyed by fascism has given up and embraced fascism
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@lunareclipse all of that +seniors are not teaching juniors, but babysitting stochastic parrots instead.
️Bring back the joy!️@iwein @lunareclipse @SylvieLorxu ...or are leaving the field in their droves, sickened by the twisted distortions that ignorant and greedy execs have imposed on the practice of software development.
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@mothwaves @SylvieLorxu I lived in three fascist countries and it seems like a preview rather than a warning
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@mothwaves @SylvieLorxu I regret voting for all the treaties now
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RE: https://toot.teckids.org/@nik/116540880770634816
As someone who has been programming since being a young teenager, things like this make me enormously sad.
If I was banned from being part of tech communities until the age of 16 or even 18 I would've never been able to learn all I did. I would've never been able to truly get into FOSS.
I would've never had a chance to become who I now am.
Age verification is literally killing the ability for kids and teens to excitedly participate and learn cool stuff and learn how to have digital agency.
@SylvieLorxu I contributed to BOINC for a year before telling the main developer that I was 15.
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@SylvieLorxu Oh no. First, stop kids exploring the offline world (road danger, nasty people). Then stop them exploring the online world (porn, nasty people). What are they supposed to do?
@annehargreaves "Why are all the kids always indoors?!?! Why don't they play outside?!?!", ask people putting literal "mosquito" noise machines in public places to annoy kids away.
"Why are kids always bored?!?! Why do they always cause trouble?!?! Why are they always upset?!?!", ask people who then decided kids weren't allowed to have any online communities left after killing all their offline hanging spots, giving them literally nothing to do...
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@SylvieLorxu
I started to learn programming when I was about 10, but the internet didn't come around until much later. By then the crappy computer classes in school had pretty much killed my enthusiasm for it. I wonder what it might have been like for me if I had had online communities to help me while I still had the drive.@murdoc Reminds me of how I loved to read books as a kid, until school took all the joy out of it by forcing me to read books I hated and then write about the meaning of them instead of just, you know, allowing me joy and allowing me to talk about the books I did love
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@lunareclipse all of that +seniors are not teaching juniors, but babysitting stochastic parrots instead.
️Bring back the joy!️@iwein @lunareclipse @SylvieLorxu i wonder if that's the idea - to kill the next generation of real programming talent in order to force everyone to use the slop forever -
RE: https://toot.teckids.org/@nik/116540880770634816
As someone who has been programming since being a young teenager, things like this make me enormously sad.
If I was banned from being part of tech communities until the age of 16 or even 18 I would've never been able to learn all I did. I would've never been able to truly get into FOSS.
I would've never had a chance to become who I now am.
Age verification is literally killing the ability for kids and teens to excitedly participate and learn cool stuff and learn how to have digital agency.
@SylvieLorxu same, there's a direct link to my participation on the gentoo forums as a teenager to the skills that I employ every day in my professional and personal life some 20 years later
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RE: https://toot.teckids.org/@nik/116540880770634816
As someone who has been programming since being a young teenager, things like this make me enormously sad.
If I was banned from being part of tech communities until the age of 16 or even 18 I would've never been able to learn all I did. I would've never been able to truly get into FOSS.
I would've never had a chance to become who I now am.
Age verification is literally killing the ability for kids and teens to excitedly participate and learn cool stuff and learn how to have digital agency.
I was 14 years old when I started learning programming, in 1976.
I was 19 years old when I started work, doing professional programming. And much of my first work was rewriting bad code written by a certain "senior consultant" who was running his own business. Also, customers favored my well-tested work over that of my boss.
With today's computer availability, it's common for six year olds to start programming, with minecraft and similar. I support that.
