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Trans women have been banned from women's darts.

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  • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

    @thomholwerda and chess.

    That great bastion of physical prowess. Chess.

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    #23

    @quixoticgeek @thomholwerda Don't make fun of Chess, that's my main exercise when I get to play it three times a year.

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    • nini@oldbytes.spaceN nini@oldbytes.space

      @alsvha @thomholwerda Male fragility is a sad tale of men wanting to be in every place even if they aren't welcome but also wanting to keep others out of their groups in case they're humiliated.

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      #24

      @nini @thomholwerda No doubt, they're afraid of loosing and thus need excuses upfront.

      Also having as a gateway argument into other groups and segregation, especially embolden by today's politics.

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      • thomholwerda@exquisite.socialT thomholwerda@exquisite.social

        Trans women have been banned from women's darts.

        Darts.

        The ban is based on some English woman's "study". The woman in question is a known TERF.

        Again, let me reiterate: darts.

        Darts.

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        #25

        @thomholwerda
        "Look, I don't mind losing a game of darts from my drinking buddies. I don't even mind losing from a woman.
        BUT NOT FROM A TRANS!"

        John O'Mackndumb

        </s>

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        • thomholwerda@exquisite.socialT thomholwerda@exquisite.social

          Look, banning trans women from sports is total bullshit, but at the very least you can see why hundreds of years of propaganda and misogyny in sports would make people assume trans women have an unfair advantage. It's bullshit of course, but at least I can follow that flawed logic.

          But darts? Motherfucking darts? You're throwing objects weighing 12-32 g (depending on preference) at a board designed specifically to be penetrated by darts. Fucking children play this game.

          If you ever needed proof this was never about protecting women, just think of how these nazis are banning trans women from darts.

          DARTS.

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          #26

          @thomholwerda
          are these trans women with an unfair advantage in the room with us now? are they on the list of winners?

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          • simon_lucy@mastodon.socialS simon_lucy@mastodon.social

            @thomholwerda

            The Women's organisation isn't the whole of darts.

            The Professional Darts Corporation is gender neutral.

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            #27

            @simon_lucy @thomholwerda I was about to say, it's a little weird there are even gender based categories in darts. Seems right away like one of those sports where none should be required.

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            • thomholwerda@exquisite.socialT thomholwerda@exquisite.social

              Trans women have been banned from women's darts.

              Darts.

              The ban is based on some English woman's "study". The woman in question is a known TERF.

              Again, let me reiterate: darts.

              Darts.

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              #28

              @thomholwerda why were they separate to begin with ?

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              • thomholwerda@exquisite.socialT thomholwerda@exquisite.social

                Trans women have been banned from women's darts.

                Darts.

                The ban is based on some English woman's "study". The woman in question is a known TERF.

                Again, let me reiterate: darts.

                Darts.

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                #29
                @thomholwerda it's incredible that darts are gender segregated at all to begin with. and even more incredibly, the lore behind their segregation was that men were too mad when women won over them
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                • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                  @thomholwerda and chess.

                  That great bastion of physical prowess. Chess.

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                  @quixoticgeek @thomholwerda you'll appreciate the raw strength needed to move a proper 1:1 scale rook

                  /s

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                  • thomholwerda@exquisite.socialT thomholwerda@exquisite.social

                    Trans women have been banned from women's darts.

                    Darts.

                    The ban is based on some English woman's "study". The woman in question is a known TERF.

                    Again, let me reiterate: darts.

                    Darts.

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                    #31

                    @thomholwerda Darts?

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                    • thomholwerda@exquisite.socialT thomholwerda@exquisite.social

                      Trans women have been banned from women's darts.

                      Darts.

                      The ban is based on some English woman's "study". The woman in question is a known TERF.

                      Again, let me reiterate: darts.

                      Darts.

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                      #32

                      @thomholwerda *women's* darts!? Why the hell is that a gendered competition?!

                      (Let me guess, the women were winning too often 🙄)

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                      • thomholwerda@exquisite.socialT thomholwerda@exquisite.social

                        Trans women have been banned from women's darts.

                        Darts.

                        The ban is based on some English woman's "study". The woman in question is a known TERF.

                        Again, let me reiterate: darts.

                        Darts.

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                        #33

                        @thomholwerda We also can't compete in women's chess.

                        That's the one that really gets me, because there doesn't seem to be outrage by the women about what message that sends.

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                        • ra6bit@infosec.exchangeR ra6bit@infosec.exchange

                          @thomholwerda We also can't compete in women's chess.

                          That's the one that really gets me, because there doesn't seem to be outrage by the women about what message that sends.

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                          @ra6bit @thomholwerda

                          1. Why tf is there “women’s chess”?
                          2. why tf can’t trans people compete?

                          But I’m honestly still stuck at 1.

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                          • avuko@infosec.exchangeA avuko@infosec.exchange

                            @ra6bit @thomholwerda

                            1. Why tf is there “women’s chess”?
                            2. why tf can’t trans people compete?

                            But I’m honestly still stuck at 1.

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                            @avuko @ra6bit @thomholwerda there was a woman in a mixed gender fencing league that complained about competing against a trans woman. A woman who competed with/against men thought competing against a trans woman was somehow unfair.

                            It's almost like it's not about logic...

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                            • thomholwerda@exquisite.socialT thomholwerda@exquisite.social

                              Trans women have been banned from women's darts.

                              Darts.

                              The ban is based on some English woman's "study". The woman in question is a known TERF.

                              Again, let me reiterate: darts.

                              Darts.

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                              @thomholwerda that and bathrooms are the two dumbest things I can imagine banning women from.

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                              • michal@spondr.czM michal@spondr.cz

                                @thomholwerda First and foremost, we should get rid of gender categories in this sport completely. I don't get it in chess either.

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                                @michal @thomholwerda I’ve seen a post-hoc rationalization for having gender categories in chess based on historical biases regarding access to the game to begin with, but those biases are also in place for trans folks, and also apply to different ethnicities as well. I don’t see anyone proposing having, say, a Black category for chess, for what should be extremely obvious reasons. And chess already has ELO classes, which already neatly captures all the things that divisions exist for.

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                                • bit@ohai.socialB bit@ohai.social

                                  @simon_lucy @thomholwerda I was about to say, it's a little weird there are even gender based categories in darts. Seems right away like one of those sports where none should be required.

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                                  @bit @simon_lucy @thomholwerda Probably for the same reason there's a women category in chess: in a game that is very dominated by men, having a women only category helps bring women to the game by giving them a space. Women players can play in the women or the general category, I assume it's the same with darts.

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                                  • thomholwerda@exquisite.socialT thomholwerda@exquisite.social

                                    Trans women have been banned from women's darts.

                                    Darts.

                                    The ban is based on some English woman's "study". The woman in question is a known TERF.

                                    Again, let me reiterate: darts.

                                    Darts.

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                                    @thomholwerda The funny thing is that you just know the reason they made darts competitions gendered in the first place was that some man lost to a woman and had a sad.

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                                    • thomholwerda@exquisite.socialT thomholwerda@exquisite.social

                                      Trans women have been banned from women's darts.

                                      Darts.

                                      The ban is based on some English woman's "study". The woman in question is a known TERF.

                                      Again, let me reiterate: darts.

                                      Darts.

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                                      @thomholwerda unbelievable! 😡

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                                      • thomholwerda@exquisite.socialT thomholwerda@exquisite.social

                                        Look, banning trans women from sports is total bullshit, but at the very least you can see why hundreds of years of propaganda and misogyny in sports would make people assume trans women have an unfair advantage. It's bullshit of course, but at least I can follow that flawed logic.

                                        But darts? Motherfucking darts? You're throwing objects weighing 12-32 g (depending on preference) at a board designed specifically to be penetrated by darts. Fucking children play this game.

                                        If you ever needed proof this was never about protecting women, just think of how these nazis are banning trans women from darts.

                                        DARTS.

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                                        @thomholwerda Wait. Does this mean I've been playing darts wrong since I could hold a dart?

                                        Am I supposed to use my uterus to wield and throw the dart?? And if I don't have a uterus I can't play darts competitively?

                                        What if I had a hysterectomy - am I no longer able to throw a dart?

                                        Jeebus, this is just the stupidest TERF-y bullshit. The contortions of logic they use to prevent a small number of humans from participating fully is utter nonsense.

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                                        • thomholwerda@exquisite.socialT thomholwerda@exquisite.social

                                          Look, banning trans women from sports is total bullshit, but at the very least you can see why hundreds of years of propaganda and misogyny in sports would make people assume trans women have an unfair advantage. It's bullshit of course, but at least I can follow that flawed logic.

                                          But darts? Motherfucking darts? You're throwing objects weighing 12-32 g (depending on preference) at a board designed specifically to be penetrated by darts. Fucking children play this game.

                                          If you ever needed proof this was never about protecting women, just think of how these nazis are banning trans women from darts.

                                          DARTS.

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                                          #42

                                          @thomholwerda Also, chess, park runs, darts, snooker/pool (don’t @ me about the difference - I don’t care).

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