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  3. Well, I just returned from a VERY interesting #Indivisible #SantaFe (ISF) meeting.

Well, I just returned from a VERY interesting #Indivisible #SantaFe (ISF) meeting.

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  • dodo_sipping@cupoftea.socialD dodo_sipping@cupoftea.social

    @heidilifeldman @Life_is @dzwiedziu "you can have free speech and demonstrations when you have enough money" This is, where it leads to.

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    @Dodo_sipping
    Not quite, as the 11-25k figures were just “preliminary”. So I can easily imagine if ISF would gather all the required initial sum the end bill could easily balloon after the protest, enough to force the organisation into working to repay instead of organising.

    It's not about free speech being costly, it's about perpetually barring it from organised people.

    @heidilifeldman @Life_is

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    • dzwiedziu@mastodon.socialD dzwiedziu@mastodon.social

      @Dodo_sipping
      Not quite, as the 11-25k figures were just “preliminary”. So I can easily imagine if ISF would gather all the required initial sum the end bill could easily balloon after the protest, enough to force the organisation into working to repay instead of organising.

      It's not about free speech being costly, it's about perpetually barring it from organised people.

      @heidilifeldman @Life_is

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      @heidilifeldman Nazis have that money. Just sayin... @Life_is @dzwiedziu

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      • heidilifeldman@mastodon.socialH heidilifeldman@mastodon.social

        And if you have a few bucks to spare to help Indivisible Santa Fe pay for No Kings 3 here in northern New Mexico, that would be great! You know my mantra: small dollar donations add up!

        Thanks for listening to this story. https://secure.actblue.com/donate/indivisiblesf371306689

        A fundraising post on the ISF website: https://indivisiblesantafe.org/donate-to-no-kings-3/

        22/22

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        @heidilifeldman

        Renting the CGI shit-plane is expensive, you know 😕

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        • heidilifeldman@mastodon.socialH heidilifeldman@mastodon.social

          Well, I just returned from a VERY interesting #Indivisible #SantaFe (ISF) meeting. Santa Fe’s new mayor was summoned to the meeting by a #NewMexico state legislator in attendance. This led to me having to supply the meeting with an impromptu presentation on First Amendment law and why the City of Santa Fe cannot lawfully charge ISF $25,000+ for a closed streets permit for #NoKings on March 28. 1/

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          @heidilifeldman this is beyond frustrating and sadly something I’m familiar with in the Bay Area.

          Cities with lots of billionaires seem to really like punishing regular citizen’s 1st Amendment rights. There’s a word for that…what’s that called? 🤔

          I’m going to share your thread in our @roots newsletter for activists this week. Not enough people are aware of these shenanigans

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          • heidilifeldman@mastodon.socialH heidilifeldman@mastodon.social

            Many asked me if I thought the city would change its position or would sua sponte close streets.

            I said I doubted it. 20/

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            @heidilifeldman so disappointing but also so common (my oldest is involved in organizing to the degree you are). I think this is one of the major reasons so many of us are disappointed and frustrated with Democrats these days. They seem to be shifting rightward and contributing to the erosions of our rights rather than helping us vigorously defend them. And this is in Santa Fe, NM where we are “blue” top to (mostly) bottom.

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            • heidilifeldman@mastodon.socialH heidilifeldman@mastodon.social

              Well, I just returned from a VERY interesting #Indivisible #SantaFe (ISF) meeting. Santa Fe’s new mayor was summoned to the meeting by a #NewMexico state legislator in attendance. This led to me having to supply the meeting with an impromptu presentation on First Amendment law and why the City of Santa Fe cannot lawfully charge ISF $25,000+ for a closed streets permit for #NoKings on March 28. 1/

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              @heidilifeldman

              Am I misreading this, or is the mayor being a dick?

              Dude, if something costs $25K and people find an alternative approach that doesnt cost $25K, that's *normal*, and not at all like building a house without a permit.

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              • dzwiedziu@mastodon.socialD dzwiedziu@mastodon.social

                @Dodo_sipping
                Not quite, as the 11-25k figures were just “preliminary”. So I can easily imagine if ISF would gather all the required initial sum the end bill could easily balloon after the protest, enough to force the organisation into working to repay instead of organising.

                It's not about free speech being costly, it's about perpetually barring it from organised people.

                @heidilifeldman @Life_is

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                @dzwiedziu 💯@Dodo_sipping @Life_is

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                • heidilifeldman@mastodon.socialH heidilifeldman@mastodon.social

                  Well, I just returned from a VERY interesting #Indivisible #SantaFe (ISF) meeting. Santa Fe’s new mayor was summoned to the meeting by a #NewMexico state legislator in attendance. This led to me having to supply the meeting with an impromptu presentation on First Amendment law and why the City of Santa Fe cannot lawfully charge ISF $25,000+ for a closed streets permit for #NoKings on March 28. 1/

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                  @heidilifeldman

                  This sounds like bureaucrats and departments making up 'policy'. Nearly 20 years ago I served on a Santa Fe city committee, and observed a fair amount of that.

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                  • dzwiedziu@mastodon.socialD dzwiedziu@mastodon.social

                    @Dodo_sipping
                    Not quite, as the 11-25k figures were just “preliminary”. So I can easily imagine if ISF would gather all the required initial sum the end bill could easily balloon after the protest, enough to force the organisation into working to repay instead of organising.

                    It's not about free speech being costly, it's about perpetually barring it from organised people.

                    @heidilifeldman @Life_is

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                    @dzwiedziu

                    It is similar to fines. They permit rich people to transgress at will, while curtailing the options of everyone else.

                    @Dodo_sipping @heidilifeldman @Life_is

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                    • heidilifeldman@mastodon.socialH heidilifeldman@mastodon.social

                      At this point, I interrupted the Mayor, thanked him for his unscheduled remarks, and explained that I had a scheduled agenda item - fundraising - to discuss. This garnered much applause from meeting participants and a few angry/disgruntled reactions at, I think, me interrupting the mayor. 17/

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                      @heidilifeldman

                      It looks like the mayor is new, just a few weeks on the job…?

                      What do you think are the odds the police just railroaded him into believing their attempted cash grab was how things normally work?

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                      • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                        @heidilifeldman

                        It looks like the mayor is new, just a few weeks on the job…?

                        What do you think are the odds the police just railroaded him into believing their attempted cash grab was how things normally work?

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                        @inthehands The mayor was a long-serving City Council member before being elected to his new position. But internal city hall/PD dynamics seem likely to playing a role.

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