I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
@hpod16 Done
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@hpod16
Each of the commercial platforms has 2 sides, behaving like a semi-transparent mirror. There is the side we can see and where we communicate. Technically speaking, this is trivial.
The other side, which can not be seen by us, is the side where the money circulates, where companies and political forces pay for what is deliberately shown to us.
We must not implement the other side.Please please please choose to implement services that promote social good, not fund billionaires and their fascist motives!
Surely we do NOT want clones of today's toxic, ad funded addictive platforms?
I suggest that means separating commercial concerns like 'reach' from the social space entirely. Focus on safety and interpersonal communications features.
Advertising / political PR should live in other mass media spaces. Not here!
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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
@hpod16 #Mastodon is quite a good start, but it's not "the Fediverse"! If you look for something like #Facebook please see #Friendica.
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Aaaaand did you see this sentence in the EU open source strategy published yesterday?
Link: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/library/communication-european-tech-sovereignty-accompanied-eu-open-source-strategy@hpod16 @smallcircles "The Union's social media presence shall be limited exclusively to platforms following a purple color scheme"? What. Did. You. Do?!
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@hpod16 @smallcircles "The Union's social media presence shall be limited exclusively to platforms following a purple color scheme"? What. Did. You. Do?!
@TimothyRoes @smallcircles
Hahahaha that's my ultimate plan!The final goal: turn the EU flag from blue to purple!
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Please please please choose to implement services that promote social good, not fund billionaires and their fascist motives!
Surely we do NOT want clones of today's toxic, ad funded addictive platforms?
I suggest that means separating commercial concerns like 'reach' from the social space entirely. Focus on safety and interpersonal communications features.
Advertising / political PR should live in other mass media spaces. Not here!
@Slash909uk @hpod16
I'm afraid, nobody in the EU is interested in cheap and simple communication services able to fulfill the needs of millions from a home server. There must be a fortune to gain for someone.
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@hpod16 @smallcircles "The Union's social media presence shall be limited exclusively to platforms following a purple color scheme"? What. Did. You. Do?!
I assume you refer to how in communication references to "mastodon" are made?
There's indeed something problematic in that, about which I've been posting a lot and also blogged about: the app-centric nature of the current fediverse, and the re-centralization forces this sets in motion.
See e.g. https://coding.social/blog/grassroots-evolution/#challenges-of-standardization
Mastodon is a brand. A platform and product that targets the fediverse to offer Microblogging services. The way it is used puts it on a pedestal, makes it more prominent than other microblogging apps like #GoToSocial, #Pleroma, and many other alternatives. But it is the social network as a whole that counts, not individual service provider players.
The word #Mastodon is overused in too broad meaning, similar to how people say "I'll google it" when they want to do an internet search. It sells alternatives short, like DuckDuckGo or Kagi. Some people don't even know about fediverse and say "Join mastodon" when they mean "Join the decentralized web".
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I assume you refer to how in communication references to "mastodon" are made?
There's indeed something problematic in that, about which I've been posting a lot and also blogged about: the app-centric nature of the current fediverse, and the re-centralization forces this sets in motion.
See e.g. https://coding.social/blog/grassroots-evolution/#challenges-of-standardization
Mastodon is a brand. A platform and product that targets the fediverse to offer Microblogging services. The way it is used puts it on a pedestal, makes it more prominent than other microblogging apps like #GoToSocial, #Pleroma, and many other alternatives. But it is the social network as a whole that counts, not individual service provider players.
The word #Mastodon is overused in too broad meaning, similar to how people say "I'll google it" when they want to do an internet search. It sells alternatives short, like DuckDuckGo or Kagi. Some people don't even know about fediverse and say "Join mastodon" when they mean "Join the decentralized web".
@smallcircles @hpod16 We were just just joking because her favorite color is purple!
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@smallcircles @hpod16 We were just just joking because her favorite color is purple!
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@hpod16 True! Thanks for the explanation, @smallcircles !
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Ha ha, me too. Now I know your favorite color.
Mine is likely orange, and its not because I'm Dutch. But purples comes a long way, perhaps second in line 
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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
@hpod16 social.netdynamics.eu, based on the fediverse, compatible wit Mastodon, without its limitations, relying on the friendica platform, with a European mindset is THE alternative platform to Facebook.
Registrations open, you are welcome to join, we are waiting for you.
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Periodically people say '[abusive company with unethical business model] could only have originated in the USA, it could never have succeeded in Europe' and it takes me a minute to realise that they somehow meant this as an endorsement of the USA.
@david_chisnall @hpod16 Can a European Company generate billions of EUR with ads for financial scams? Can a European company provide unsupervised foreign language tools to propagandize for a genocide in a far away country?
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@hpod16 True! Thanks for the explanation, @smallcircles !
The (over)use of "mastodon" is understandable. Mastodon played a pioneering role in implementing microblogging use cases with the #ActivityPub protocol and is also the most mature product at this point in that 'business domain'. Establishing itself as a brand.
#Fediverse is not a very descriptive name to people unfamiliar with it and the idea that it provides access to many apps that integrate with on a single social network (ideally) interoperably is foreign. They are used to 'platform thinking'. Fediverse weaves a social fabric that allows you to be "social together with others" online.
The europa.eu website now has a #Mastodon icon in its social channel list, that hides all that.
Perhaps most communicative is the name #ActivityStreams (name of W3C standard vocabulary of social actions to support). Then a person would subscribe to EU's activity streams and receive Posts, Articles, Videos, Events, Policies, News. Every service the EU offers adds to the stream.
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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
@hpod16 Can't you just self-host a Friendica instance in the EU? That would very much be a Euro FB replacement. -
@hpod16 Can't you just self-host a Friendica instance in the EU? That would very much be a Euro FB replacement.
@dfx4509b
On my part, it was a rhetorical question, the point being that our EU instance on Fediverse does exist. But I am learning a lot about European alternatives thanks to this thread, so that's nice.
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@hpod16 I would argue that it really depends on what "Facebook", "instagram" and "whatsapp" mean for this person.
I think we don't really have a valid alternative to the Marketplace for example.
Instagram is pretty much covered by Mastodon and Pixelfed, but would it work at scale? (with millions or billions of photos and videos to store and moderate)
Whatsapp is a lot harder. I don't think that Matrix is a good alternative and unfortunately Signal is under US influence too.
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Periodically people say '[abusive company with unethical business model] could only have originated in the USA, it could never have succeeded in Europe' and it takes me a minute to realise that they somehow meant this as an endorsement of the USA.
@david_chisnall
if they made so much money that must mean God approves of their actions and blesses them, right?
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@hpod16 Can't you just self-host a Friendica instance in the EU? That would very much be a Euro FB replacement.
@hpod16 European Network Dynamics is precisely answering that point
@DFX4509B You're absolutely right, and the good news is: it already exists!
European Network Dynamics runs Social. Netdynamics.eu, a Friendica-based instance, self-hosted in the EU, designed as a positive agora for European citizens to connect, share, and speak freely. It federates across the entire Fediverse while keeping your data under European jurisdiction. Registrations are free and open! Why not join us and bring this conversation there? 
Everyone in this thread is welcome, the more voices, the richer the community. 
Kind regards.
#netdynamics #netdynamics.eu #fediverse #friendica @dfx4509b
