I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
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@clouderst The problem is that people want to buy directly from social media. They want to buy a piece that their favourite artist shows, they don't search leboncoin for it. A lot of people are only on Insta because it's an important part for earning their life. And Mastodon is still no alternative (many artist get aggressed for posting their shop links). Leboncoin is good to sell an old table ...
@NatureMC @zompetto @hpod16 i'm not denying the aggression thing. It's just bad cause how do people expect artists to make money if they don't promote themselves!
now even though people want to buy from social media, instagram doesn't have a marketplace of its own, nor does it take any taxes for promotion. It's an advertising platform, not a marketplace. The same goes for every other platform excepting youtube and facebook. Facebook marketplace was designed to be a replacement for services like leboncoin. Since most of facebook's userbase is old, they decided to capitalize on that since most young people don't tend to buy old.
Literally no artist puts up their work on facebook marketplace and if they do, they advertise and send the user to another platform (patreon ko-fi etc), just how they do on insta, twitter etc -
I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
Periodically people say '[abusive company with unethical business model] could only have originated in the USA, it could never have succeeded in Europe' and it takes me a minute to realise that they somehow meant this as an endorsement of the USA.
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@DiogoConstantino I think, "European" means the seat of the company, the legislation, the laws and regulations. And if you give the data to US clouds or in other dangerous places or place them in the EU. It's not about the internationality of a network.
@vladcampos @hpod16 @w3cWhich as I explained on the rest of the thread, do change, and are currently lead by people who want to make them weaker to serve Trumpf and Big Tech. Talk about the values not the flags! Also people from other places also share many of the values, and there's no tech without us all collaborating to build it.
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@NatureMC @zompetto @hpod16 i'm not denying the aggression thing. It's just bad cause how do people expect artists to make money if they don't promote themselves!
now even though people want to buy from social media, instagram doesn't have a marketplace of its own, nor does it take any taxes for promotion. It's an advertising platform, not a marketplace. The same goes for every other platform excepting youtube and facebook. Facebook marketplace was designed to be a replacement for services like leboncoin. Since most of facebook's userbase is old, they decided to capitalize on that since most young people don't tend to buy old.
Literally no artist puts up their work on facebook marketplace and if they do, they advertise and send the user to another platform (patreon ko-fi etc), just how they do on insta, twitter etc -
We even have our alternatives to spotify, gdrive and so on!
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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
@hpod16 done!
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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
well, Airbus was a success
and CERN is a successso maybe the EU should hire the managers of Airbus/CERN to run this ?
but seriously, how many years does it take to build up the knowledge and infrastructure to store Tb of data with safe backup hardware/software ?
a lot of skill just in that alone
and moving libre offic calc into the modern era is a huge task, just by itself
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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
@hpod16 I just want old reddit, where real humans made whole threads of terrible puns and the experts posted long, detailed, passionate, rambling essays on their subjects. I *loved* that. I love reading those conversations.
I miss that.
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@vladcampos
What serves the public over time is guarantying them rights over software and technology. Sometimes certain jurisdictions do it better than others, this is true, but that is circunstancial, as we can see with the Commission multiple pushes for Chat Control for more than 10 years, the curent plans to weaken GDPR and other regulations to please Trumpf and Big Tech.@DiogoConstantino @hpod16 @w3c I see myself as an Internationalist. That's why I mentioned #ActivityPub, a decentralized protocol that anyone can adopt. Its interconnectivity characteristics makes is local/global. BTW, it's not European. And I agree on the open source, no matter where it's from.
But there are limits. For example, the world payment system shouldn't be dependent on Visa/MC which can be shot down by a single country. The same is true for "the Cloud", communications, etc.
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@hpod16 sure. Done.
"Thank you for choosing your favourite project from the 'Award for Good Administration 2026' list.
Your vote has been recorded:
32. Community management of Commission social media accounts by DG COMM
European Commission - DG COMMSincerely,
The European Ombudsman's Award team"
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"Thank you for choosing your favourite project from the 'Award for Good Administration 2026' list.
Your vote has been recorded:
32. Community management of Commission social media accounts by DG COMM
European Commission - DG COMMSincerely,
The European Ombudsman's Award team"
@mycotropic @brodlista
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@hpod16 I just want old reddit, where real humans made whole threads of terrible puns and the experts posted long, detailed, passionate, rambling essays on their subjects. I *loved* that. I love reading those conversations.
I miss that.
@SomeVeganCheeseIsOk
I miss 2013 tumblr, personally. I just want to create tons of blogs and edit their htmls to personalise each one. -
I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
Another upvote for your team's efforts then. It is delightful to see how EU presence is expanding on the fediverse since EUVoice and EUVideo and 3-day workshop ActivityPub for Administrations by SocialHub.
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@hpod16 I just want old reddit, where real humans made whole threads of terrible puns and the experts posted long, detailed, passionate, rambling essays on their subjects. I *loved* that. I love reading those conversations.
I miss that.
@SomeVeganCheeseIsOk @hpod16 There's still a bit of that sometimes but mostly it's just become echo chambers where opposing but not really bad ideas are still downvoted to oblivion.
Idk if Lemmy is a good alt to reddit. I haven't been there in a while, but I usually only lurk on some subreddits through my redlib instance nowadays but yeah there's no place for good discussions there anymore.
Also I forgor to add, there's "AI" presence there... I'm finding a hard time finding them within replies
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@zompetto
Yeah, I mean the answer is phrased pretty broadly on purpose. Mastodon isn't the solution for all this, but I like to promote the EU mastodon account whenever I can.(I'm trying to get it into the top 10 most followed (active) accounts on fedi, grinding away over here...)
@hpod16 @zompetto
What I'd love would be a "facebook for local bussineses" that you don't need an account to view (a bulleting board, if you please); far too many companies still don't have only FB page for opening hours, menus and other information, so as a result it's easier to plan ahead if you're going to big chains.I'd love Friendica to be that, but it's actually more strict about browsing without an account.
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Another upvote for your team's efforts then. It is delightful to see how EU presence is expanding on the fediverse since EUVoice and EUVideo and 3-day workshop ActivityPub for Administrations by SocialHub.
Aaaaand did you see this sentence in the EU open source strategy published yesterday?
Link: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/library/communication-european-tech-sovereignty-accompanied-eu-open-source-strategy -
@SomeVeganCheeseIsOk @hpod16 There's still a bit of that sometimes but mostly it's just become echo chambers where opposing but not really bad ideas are still downvoted to oblivion.
Idk if Lemmy is a good alt to reddit. I haven't been there in a while, but I usually only lurk on some subreddits through my redlib instance nowadays but yeah there's no place for good discussions there anymore.
Also I forgor to add, there's "AI" presence there... I'm finding a hard time finding them within replies
@reallylazybear @hpod16 I tried lemmy. Sadly, the area I found was mostly "China is the best, we definitely shouldn't be criticized for killing our minorities and crushing dissent".
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@DiogoConstantino @hpod16 @w3c I see myself as an Internationalist. That's why I mentioned #ActivityPub, a decentralized protocol that anyone can adopt. Its interconnectivity characteristics makes is local/global. BTW, it's not European. And I agree on the open source, no matter where it's from.
But there are limits. For example, the world payment system shouldn't be dependent on Visa/MC which can be shot down by a single country. The same is true for "the Cloud", communications, etc.
@vladcampos the cloud is several different things, one in popular culture, and the technicall definition.
The infrastructure is mostly but not exclusevely on American hands. But the cloud is what I also have here on my home, were I can scale up and down resources on demmand, for systems and applications I selfhost.To see and to treat technology exclusively as if only Big Tech exists is a big error that most Big Tech detractors do, and that almost all journalists do.
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@reallylazybear @hpod16 I tried lemmy. Sadly, the area I found was mostly "China is the best, we definitely shouldn't be criticized for killing our minorities and crushing dissent".
@SomeVeganCheeseIsOk @hpod16 Oh... that's really fucking bad.
Last time I was there the people were pretty mad and outraged about what Trump was doing and they were some mocking him. That was a year ago and I was on lemmy.world instance
Well, to be honest I don't even feel like I belong there so I stopped going.
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@luca @zompetto @hpod16 @_elena
How "usable" is #friendica by now? Does anybody know?
People who use it, seems to love it.
I'm not that much into formatted posts or groups.
Never been on facebook.For example people with a friendica account, could create a topic or local group
and you could follow that group from your mastodon account.
How cool is #fediverse
